Maturity

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Originally posted by Tarquin Maynard-Portly:
I've been thinking about my earlier post on this thread.

I was right: tits.

M

Tits indeed our Mike, but if you post a pic of an arse on the arse thread you should at least post a tit pic on this thread, consistancy and consideration of others is a sign of maturity so make with the goods.

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Originally posted by AlexanderVH:
Another nonpersonal angle: Let's contrast cleverness against wisdom.

Cleverness, smartness is valued more than wisdom. It's successful in competitive environments like forums and social life. A forum has debate, speed, scoring points.

Wisdom has a smell of old clothes. It's restricted to braindead religious adulation. (I might be exaggerating a bit to make the point clearer.)

Why try for wisdom if you can have cleverness?

Everyone has Cleverness. If all have cleverness they also have wisdom.

Some are clever at one thing, while others are clever at something else. Just cos one person is clever at a particular thing… does not mean the other who is not is daft.

So…all are cleaver at one thing or another. ….Those that are clever at something then have a certain wisdom and knowledge of the subject.

So aren’t’ we all clever and posses some wisdom.

I am uneducated and my grammar and spelling is crap… but I excel in other areas that would put some of you guys to shame.

We are all clever, great and special in our own right

Veronika
(slightly drunk)

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Originally posted by Happy Chick:
Maturity is a word (and behavior) MADE UP by some control freak.... A word to make one think they have to behave in a particular manner
Now that’s what I call control
Veronika

No...that's what I call insecure, paranoid even.

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I am uneducated and my grammar and spelling is crap… but I excel in other areas that would put some of you guys to shame.

Why the defensiveness? No-one is calling anyone anything here, we are just churning it over. Why the guns blazing? Why the display of insecurity?

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
Maturity is the realisation that life isn't worth living; prior to "maturity", one merely suspects it.

All sorts of other grim realisations come with this development which together characterise the graduation.

... and indeed immaturity is characterised by the zany belief that life is a wonderful thing.

Most grow out of it. Once bitten...

EW

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Originally posted by Gianluigi Mazzorana:
Maturity is the realisation that only a part of life is worth living.
And one should decide which one.

I think I must have missed that part.

hehehehehe
Dear EW!
Nothing offensive in my words to you.
I mean that one should learn from mistakes and make a choice sometimes.
Of course this was not written for you.
But i see a lot around me who decided to stay a child forever.

Cheers
Gianluigi

Maturity is the ability to recognise immaturity in oneself. To be mature you must know what it is to be immature. As maturity increases with age until death, it is also probable that there is no cut-off for the immature state. I can only surmise that maturity & immaturity coexist. This most likely explains why a professional 40+ year old man can still mess up on a regular basis.

Alternatively, maturity is when you are so old and lifeless you got to piss someone else off to get your kicks.

Spock (I could bash yer head in I'm so damn grumpy tonight)

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Originally posted by Rasher:

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Originally posted by Happy Chick:
Maturity is a word (and behavior) MADE UP by some control freak.... A word to make one think they have to behave in a particular manner
Now that’s what I call control
Veronika

No...that's what I call insecure, paranoid even.

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I am uneducated and my grammar and spelling is crap… but I excel in other areas that would put some of you guys to shame.

Why the defensiveness? No-one is calling anyone anything here, we are just churning it over. Why the guns blazing? Why the display of insecurity?

If i had any hang ups about my ability to spell etc... I'd proof my posts in a word doc, rather than openly tell all you lot that I can't spell.

I just used this as an example.

Just like I am to use your post as one....

Your post suggesting that i am being defensive, guns blazing and insecure.... just relays to me and probably others that your "cleverness" is certainly not being a good judge of character.

But

I am sure you excel brilliantly in other areas, and your cleverness will undoubtedly superceed others in that particular area.

therefore... like i said All have cleverness and maturity in certain subjects.

Veronika

Oh Cheer up Spock....

Stop being a grumpy old fart. Enjoy life while it last.

The problem with the word maturity is.....

Believing in it just “Restrains” and “Restricts” us from having fun and being impulsive. It is a word that is used to make us all fall into line and think we have to behave in a particular manner...

Bull Shit.....

Life is short... you gotta follow the child inside you..... break the pattern that is expected of you …. And just do what you wanna do. Don’t let a word dictate how you should act and feel.

When you reach 70-80 years old you will regret not doing all the stupid things you wanted to do.

Veronika

Maturity is having a better idea of what happens next for there is every chance it has happened already.

It certainly shouldn't be a value judgement. Some people actually get worse with age. Robert Mogabe springs to mind...

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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
Some people actually get worse with age.

Any pragmatist should expect things to get worse: because they usually do.

In my case, maturity has been characterised by, among other grim reflections, the realisation that the early part of my life was entirely wasted, and I'm now too old to do anything about it. I envy the real winners in the world - those who are never born; if only they knew how lucky they are not to be alive. Lucky, lucky bastards.

Dark is life, dark is death.

EW

By golly you are morbid. What has happened to you? Are you for real EW?

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Originally posted by Happy Chick:
The problem with the word maturity is.....

Believing in it just “Restrains” and “Restricts” us from having fun and being impulsive. It is a word that is used to make us all fall into line and think we have to behave in a particular manner...

Bull Shit.....

Life is short... you gotta follow the child inside you..... break the pattern that is expected of you …. And just do what you wanna do. Don’t let a word dictate how you should act and feel.



Veronika

Strange how things can be seen and experienced differently.

The amount of things I did when I was younger just because they were the mad things youth was expected to do (and did) at the time, that I really did no enjoy but tried very hard to convince myself and otheres I did.

I'm a bit more mature now and would consider that maturity guides my behaviour to (more or less) do the things I want to to do. It only stops me doing the things I didn't enjoy anyway.

I may well be more responsible which may be what you are referring to but this is based on the realisation (garnered from experience and hoepfully a bit of wisdom!) that everything we do impacts and I'm begining to try and avoid the things that impact unfavourably on othersmerely becasue I want to get a kick or am lazy.

Still can be an utter selfish bollox though so take all with a pinch of salt, I'm merely on the road to redemption.

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Originally posted by Happy Chick:
If i had any hang ups about my ability to spell etc... I'd proof my posts in a word doc, rather than openly tell all you lot that I can't spell.
Veronika

Yeah but I just don't understand why you even mentioned it. Not proofing your spelling before posting has nothing to do with maturity or cleverness. I just don't understand why you came from nowhere and were on the attack; "but I excel in other areas that would put some of you guys to shame." C'mon Veronika, you can't deny that it sounded like a response to something, something that wasn't there.
I'm not trying to be clever, I'm just paying attention and taking the time to read what you write. I don't have a problem with it - honest.

Rasher.... don't worry

If you knew me... you would understand i don't really have those type of hang ups. All the things i am daft about are things I laugh about. Things that make me just me...

I supose me mentioning it may have sounded that i have a hang up. But, honestly i was just using it as an example.

I am very much into ALL is EQUAL.

I accept my flaws and they are what makes me cute and funny. They are not really flaws either - just pieces of the jigsaw that makes up me.

Veronika

Yeah..I am actually a good judge of character, but it's my directness, which is only really meant in a playful way, that always gets me into trouble. I'll never learn though.

OK - I think wisdom would be my choice too.

I do struggle to know what to say to the 'know it alls' sometimes - so I say nothing for the most part, but in a fit of immaturity I can be very cutting in my responses....

Mmmm obviously some work to do there...

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Originally posted by Happy Chick:
I am sure you have achieved some great things in your life and made others happy along the way.

Ermm... not that I know of, no.

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Life is only black if you want it to be.

Yeah, you see Mick Parry says things like that; they sound impressive but aren't really true, unfortunately.

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We are all winners in our own individual unique way – You too

As I'm fond of saying, despair springs eternal.

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… you EW could concour the world.

I used to want to conquer the world when I was young; but then I realised it wasn't worth conquering. Part of Maturity Syndrome I suppose.

This is a desert place, and the time is now past.

EW

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Originally posted by Happy Chick:
Life is short... you gotta follow the child inside you..... break the pattern that is expected of you …. And just do what you wanna do. Don’t let a word dictate how you should act and feel.

When you reach 70-80 years old you will regret not doing all the stupid things you wanted to do.

I'm with you on the inner child thing, and am willing to try most things once. That said, sometimes using the mistakes of others to stop you falling into the trap can make you mature - ie, I'd not try Heroin or crack, or taking a swan dive off of a cliff into water who's depth I didn't know, as I'd know all three could have potentially devestating consequences.

I think you can be a little bit crazy and a little bit mature, and so long as you keep the balance right everything's fine.

BTW - I also kind-of agree with EW - the moment you're born you're dying. It's how you deal with the process though that matters

Who was it who said "The only true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing"?

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Originally posted by domfjbrown:
BTW - I also kind-of agree with EW - the moment you're born you're dying. It's how you deal with the process though that matters

Death's fine, it's life that fucks you.

EW

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

Death's fine, it's life that fucks you.

EW

How can you be so sure? Death may be just another stage in some universal journey, if so you're likey to get shafted there as well.

Spock

EW,

Look on the bright side.

"Life is cheap, but death is free"

Alberto Y Los Trios Paranoias - Gobbing on Life, Snuff Rock EP 1977

Nic

I'm not sure which is worse immaturity or selfishness - maybe they're both the same thing?

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Originally posted by nicnaim:
Look on the bright side.

"Life is cheap, but death is free"

Alberto Y Los Trios Paranoias - Gobbing on Life, Snuff Rock EP 1977

Nic

...and if you see me over on Pink Fish, you'll see I use their burial method as my witty autosignature.

A trully amazing record, that. "Snuffing in a Babylon" and "Kill" are also classics - though still unsure of track 4

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Originally posted by Happy Chick:
.... These mistakes are what makes us great.

.... You are as old as you want to be.

.... We are all winners in our own individual unique way – You too

.... but coping is what makes us strong.

.... you EW could concour the world.

A career in counselling beckons Veronika.

Personally, I prefer EW's philosophy - if you assume that life sucks, the only surprises are pleasant ones.

Irony can be fun though ....

Paul

P.S. Bugger, I accidentally used the "fun" word.