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Posted by: John Schmidt on 17 October 2000

Woodface is onto a good idea with his music quiz. As that thread is getting a bit long, and leaning mostly towards rock and popular music, perhaps we can start a more classical thread. Judging from the threads on Mahler and Schubert, there's no lack of knowledge. As with the other quiz, if you answer correctly, you can pose the next question. Here's a starter:

In the 1950's Emil Gilels was first allowed out of the Soviet Union to tour. This was the first opportunity for many in the West to hear a performer of the "Russian Piano School", and he played to universal acclaim. Gilels was somewhat overwhelmed, and was heard to say "If you think I'm good, wait until you hear __________" To which other Russian pianist was he referring?

John Schmidt
"95% of everything is crud" - Theodore Sturgeon

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
Herbet von Karajan

(Second picture)

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
No.
Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
Leopold Stokowsky once told Igor Stravinsky that The Rite of Spring needed some changes (or cuts).

Is this it? (Why don´t my postings show up? Am I doing everything right?)

Best wishes
Sven )

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Todd A
Looks like Celibidache.
Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
Not only do I think Todd is right, and hence feel light an idiot for my first suggestion ...

But ... first picture .. could it be the piano guy, JACK BEAVER?
(If right, I assume Jack means something amusing in North America - I get the Beaver bit.)

Jonathan

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
It's Celibidache. The first picture is of Fritz Busch.

Go ahead Todd.

Vuk.

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Joe Petrik
Jonathan,

quote:
If right, I assume Jack means something amusing in North America - I get the Beaver bit.

Yup, a jack-off is a wanker. I struggled with "gob" for a while, until I realized it wasn't the same as "saliva".

Joe

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Todd A
By what name is the composer Leon Dudley better known?
Posted on: 20 October 2000 by John Schmidt
Leon Dudley was better known as Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji.

Continuing along this line, for what accomplishment is this composer cited in the Guinness Book of World Records?

John Schmidt
"95% of everything is crud" - Theodore Sturgeon

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Todd A
The Opus calvicembalisticum is listed as the longest solo piano work at roughly 4 hours. It's exact length is in question since the few recorded performances vary in length from, I believe, 3.75 hours (Madge's version) to 4.5 hours (Ogdon's version). I can't be exact on the times.
Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Todd A
If I'm right (and I know I am), I defer my question to you John. I won't be around computers too much this weekend and I don't want to hold the thread up.
Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
You just lost 75 FEPs for making fun of Celibidache. This conductor was so flat earth, he hated hi-fi and refused to release any recordings of his concerts. It's only now, after his death, that greedy family members allowed EMI to put out a number of discs.

Vuk.

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by John Schmidt
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If I'm right (and I know I am), I defer my question to you John.

Yes you are, Todd. And thanks for your gracious gesture. Going back to lute music, here's a tougher question to chew on over the weekend.

In the first half of this century, guitarist Andres Segovia and Mexican composer Manuel Ponce tried to pull a practical joke on concert audiences. Ponce composed a piece in the style of Bach, which Segovia performed and passed off as a newly discovered piece by J.S. Bach for lute. Guitar aficionados in those days were a rather narrowly schooled bunch, and fell for the ruse. However, renowned harpsichordist and Bach specialist Wanda Landowska recognized the fake and was not amused. Embarrassed at being caught out, Segovia and Ponce quickly repackaged the work as a Hommage to another baroque lutenist. This then obscure lutenist eventually became recognized as one of the finest lute composers of the baroque era. What was his name?

John Schmidt
"95% of everything is crud" - Theodore Sturgeon

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
I wasn't going to cheat and post what I found on the net, but the account of events seems rather different:

The Suite in A for guitar is an exception to Ponce's style because of his motives in writing it. An imitation of the Baroque suite, it was originally recorded by Andres Segovia as Suite by Sylvius Leopold Weiss, a German lutenist-composer and contemporary of J.S. Bach. The title was intended to deceive the audience as to the original composer of the piece. When Fritz Kreisler asked Segovia where he had obtained this piece, Segovia replied: " from the same place as yours", probably referring to compositions which Kreisler himself had attributed to someone else.

I think people need to make their quiz questions a little more web-proof: it's too bloody easy to look things up. That's why I'm sticking to pictures ;-)

Who is this?

Vuk.

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Todd A
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Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
It's not Joan Sutherland.
Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
That's Birgit Nillson.
Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
Next question please.

Sly.

P.S. Spelling is "Nilsson".

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
My Q. :

Two innovative composers, centuries apart, but one common habbit :
One preferred to be flogged, the other took active part in flogging as well.

Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
What was the answer to the Bruckner/Joe Petrik food connection ?
Posted on: 20 October 2000 by Former member
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What was the answer to the Bruckner/Joe Petrik food connection ?

Well, I got a private message from my lurking buddy Lou and this was his imaginative (and technically correct) reply:

"-Bruckner dedicated his 8th Symphony to Kaiser Franz Joseph I of Austria,
-and 'King Joseph' is the phrase by which Joe's wife is required to address him"

Excellent, even though not what I was looking for. You see, the 8th Symphony was inspired by the delight Bruckner took in devouring a roasted chicken (something I understand completely and which may explain my more-than-extreme fondness for the work). There is a famous chain of fast food joints over here called "Kentucky Fried Chicken." Joe Petrik now lives in Kentucky.

I should also mention that Lou nailed the Brightman/Bryars question too:
"-Bryars composed a work called Farewell To philosophy, which waspremiered on CD by cellist Julian Lloyd-Webber
-who has a brother named Andrew
-who is married to Sarah"

Omer wrote:

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Two innovative composers, centuries apart, but one common habbit: One preferred to be flogged, the other took active part in flogging as well.

Now that deserves a Snappy! Is this an effective pick-up line in the bars of Tel Aviv? As for the answer, I haven't a clue, though I suspect Mozart was involved at one end or the other of the whip. Let me complete the wild guess by saying Mozart engaged in flogging and that, centuries later, Karlheinz Stockhausen loved to submit to the punishment just before composing works that would inflict much greater pain on our ears (though secretly I'm wishing it's a poncey Englishman like Vaughan Williams who ends up the pervert).

Vuk.

[This message was edited by Vuk Vuksanovic on SATURDAY 21 October 2000 at 07:20.]

Posted on: 21 October 2000 by Former member
quote:

Let me complete the wild guess by saying Mozart engaged in flogging and that, centuries later, Karlheinz Stockhausen loved to submit to the punishment just before composing works that would inflict much greater pain on our ears

No. Let me just say that the flogged one did something really bad to deserve it.

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(though secretly I'm wishing it's a poncey Englishman like Vaughan Williams who ends up the pervert).

Hehehe, he was raised in England.

Did you know that the french word for fogging is "The English Perversion" ?

quote:

"-Bruckner dedicated his 8th Symphony to Kaiser Franz Joseph I of Austria,
-and 'King Joseph' is the phrase by which Joe's wife is required to address him"

Excellent, even though not what I was looking for. You see, the 8th Symphony was inspired by the delight Bruckner took in devouring a roasted chicken (something I understand completely and which may explain my more-than-extreme fondness for the work). There is a famous chain of fast food joints over here called "Kentucky Fried Chicken." Joe Petrik now lives in Kentucky.


Great, very nice connection indeed !

(KFC is everywhere, BTW.)

[This message was edited by Omer Shibolet on SATURDAY 21 October 2000 at 09:21.]

Posted on: 21 October 2000 by John Schmidt
quote:
account of events seems rather different:

Stories of this kind can be pretty apocryphal. This version was told by the New York guitarist Alice Artz guitar at a concert I attended many years ago (in London, Ontario, in fact).

quote:
I think people need to make their quiz questions a little more web-proof

I don't agree. The point is to have a little fun and learn something along the way. Does it really matter whether you find the answer by digging through liner notes or using a search engine

John Schmidt
"95% of everything is crud" - Theodore Sturgeon

Posted on: 21 October 2000 by Former member
quote:
Does it really matter whether you find the answer by digging through liner notes or using a search engine

OK John. Well, actually, Omer's hint, which I misinterpreted made me remember about Haydn's flogging , but then I cheated and discoverd the pervet, for the second half of the question. Check this out:

That [Percy] Grainger was sexually kinky is widely known. His principle form of sexual enjoyment involved pain of various kinds, chiefly whipping. His letters to one of his lovers, Karen Holten, describe how he stuck safety pins through his nipples, pulled out his armpit hairs one by one and so on ... In 1926, Grainger married a Swedish woman, Ella Strom, who bore a remarkable resemblance to his mother. Grainger established a public museum in Melbourne to contain his manuscripts, mementoes, clothing and his impressive collection of whips.

My search also uncovered the following about some less well-known composers:

•(Don Carlo) Gesualdo's understanding of both cruelty and pain must have been considerable. Having violently murdered his wife and her lover 21 years earlier, the composer had himself flogged daily by youths specially employed to maintain his atonement. On each day, three nocturnal offices, each consisting of three lessons, are followed by a Response which includes fragments of both the Old and New Testaments.

•John Newton was from a seafaring family. He had a rough background and led a basically wretched life. From 1736 to 1742, he served on a trading ship of which his father was the master. In 1744, he attempted to escape from a man-of-war ship and was publicly flogged. Then he ended up in the slave trade, exchanging British manufactured goods for African slaves.

I need a little break now to think of a good question.

Vuk.

Posted on: 21 October 2000 by Former member
"Born in London of Polish parents, his accent not only wandered around the map, it grew thicker over the years."

Who is this man?

Vuk.