My Joke has been moderated
Posted by: Shayman on 28 January 2005
Can anyone tell me why my David Beckham/Toon Army joke was removed from the Best Short Joke thread?
As it was quite clearly ribbing Beckham's intelligence and in no way making light of the recent disaster in the far east I don't see why it meritted the 'cull'.
Just wondered.
Jonathan
As it was quite clearly ribbing Beckham's intelligence and in no way making light of the recent disaster in the far east I don't see why it meritted the 'cull'.
Just wondered.
Jonathan
Posted on: 28 January 2005 by Steve Toy
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Well that's odd becuase I noted early on that ther was a homophobic joke and you said it was "PC gone mad".
I've begun to realise that homophobic jokes often fuel or incite hatred of homosexuals as is the case with racist jokes (unless the joke is on racism/homophobia itself - and many whistle-happy PC whistleblowers may (deliberately choose to) overlook the difference...)
When I see instances of people being abused on the basis of their sexual orientation or ethnicity it does make me angry. I wouldn't want such abuse to be encouraged by the telling of certain jokes that are cleary at the expense of the homosexual or member of a racial minority.
OTOH, some so-called "politically incorrect" jokes do nothing to incite hatred of anyone and these should be allowed.
Jokes at the expense of David Beckham - the ultimate celebrity chav should be permitted.
When my mate gets back from identifying bodies (amongst other relief efforts) in Thailand next week I'll ask him if he thinks the Toon army/tsunami joke is in poor taste.
Sexist jokes are usually ok because as I said earlier they can work both ways and are often at the expense of sexism itself.
I think, for example, most mother-in-law jokes fall into that category.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by BrianD
Struggling to understand why there was a 'request to moderate'.
Who was it?
Who was it?
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by TomK
A few years ago Prince Philip visited a factory near Glasgow and made his usual clumsy attempt at humour which went slightly awry. Something about some dodgy work that looked as though it must have been done by Indians, rather than cowboys. Can't remember the exact story. There was the predictable outrage from the extreme PC lobby about him being a racist oaf etc. A leading member of the Glasgow Asian community said he actually found it quite funny, as "believe it or not we actually do have a sense of humour." There are times when our PC guardians would do well to remember this.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by BrianD
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There are times when our PC guardians would do well to remember this.
Tom
They can't remember what they don't know. In my experience, these people have no sense of humour, they spend their lives searching for offence in everything.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by Brian OReilly
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Originally posted by BrianD:quote:
There are times when our PC guardians would do well to remember this.
Tom
They can't remember what they don't know. In my experience, these people have no sense of humour, they spend their lives searching for offence in everything.
Well c'mon then, boys. Come on you gatekeepers against the PC hordes.
Name 'em then. Give us some names of these politically correct bastards. Let's start with the people on this forum. Who are these "unintelligent PC whistleblowers with no sense of humour" ?
The stage is yours. Come on down.
BOR
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by BrianD
Brian
I agree with what MatthewR said on page 1......
I consider members of the PC brigade to be in the first two categories mentioned above by Matthew. Just my opinion. As for who they are, I have no idea. Do you?
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Well c'mon then, boys. Come on you gatekeepers against the PC hordes.
Name 'em then. Give us some names of these politically correct bastards. Let's start with the people on this forum. Who are these "unintelligent PC whistleblowers with no sense of humour" ?
The stage is yours. Come on down.
I agree with what MatthewR said on page 1......
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I think the thread should stay as it's an excellent means for newcomers to find out which posters are idiots, twats, bigots or some combination of all three.
I consider members of the PC brigade to be in the first two categories mentioned above by Matthew. Just my opinion. As for who they are, I have no idea. Do you?
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by Brian OReilly
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Originally posted by BrianD:
I consider members of the PC brigade to be in the first two categories mentioned above by Matthew. Just my opinion. As for who they are, I have no idea. Do you?
You can do better than that - name and shame.
Do I know who they are ? I think they don't exist.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by matthewr
"Struggling to understand why there was a 'request to moderate'"
Thousands and thousands of people just died in a area where Naim has enough customers to avoid using the local unlucky number (4) in its products. Why is it hard to understand that someone might find a jocular reference to this upsetting enough to complain about it?
Matthew
Thousands and thousands of people just died in a area where Naim has enough customers to avoid using the local unlucky number (4) in its products. Why is it hard to understand that someone might find a jocular reference to this upsetting enough to complain about it?
Matthew
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by BrianD
Hello Matthew,
Why don't you ask all of the others who, from their posts, appear to also believe moderating the joke was a bit OTT? That is what I'm saying, or are you taking everything literally?
I do know WHY someone asked for it to be deleted, but I believe whoever made the request was being overly sensitive to do so. It was a joke on a hifi forum. That's all. Are you going to claim you've never told a 'sick' joke, Matthew?
BTW, I didn't find it funny, but I wouldn't ask for it to be deleted.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by Brian OReilly
We've gone past that specific joke, now the question to you and your political correctness gone mad, mates (and believe me, I'm not one of your mates) is who are these PC monsters you, steve, tomk et al keep accusing of ruining society.
You all use this wonky crutch of PC to compartmentalise anything that you disagree with. So answer the question. Who are the PC faction on the forum ? Anyone ?
If you all can't back-up what you're saying, then quit using it as an easy label when in reality you have no other argument.
You all use this wonky crutch of PC to compartmentalise anything that you disagree with. So answer the question. Who are the PC faction on the forum ? Anyone ?
If you all can't back-up what you're saying, then quit using it as an easy label when in reality you have no other argument.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by BrianD
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Originally posted by Brian OReilly:
who are these PC monsters you, steve, tomk et al keep accusing of ruining society.
If you all can't back-up what you're saying, then quit using it as an easy label when in reality you have no other argument.
Well, I'll use whatever label I like.
Anyway, moving on. As I come to this forum very infrequently, I really do have little idea who all of the PC types are. Perhaps the person who instigated the removal of the joke might like to step forward? I would regard that person as a PC type, so there's one. As for any others, perhaps you believe you're thought to be a PC type? I don't know.
Returning to the original quote I took from Matthew. It might be interesting to have an idea who the PC brigade might be, just as it is interesting to some that they know who the "idiots, twats and bigots" might be. Don't you agree? Or is that something someone is not allowed to find interesting? Just wondering, like.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by JeremyD
quote:It's rather difficult for the dead to be outraged on their own behalf, isn't it?
Originally posted by rodwsmith:
I suspect anyone who really found it offensive is very probably being outraged on behalf of others. And such outrage is decidedly misplaced.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by matthewr
If there is a "PC Brigade" one presumes they would have "gone mad" before and used their terrible powers to prevent or delete the various instances of homophobia, sexism, etc. rather than waiting for someone to complain about a joke that doesn't even transgress what is usually seen as "PC" territory.
"Perhaps the person who instigated the removal of the joke might like to step forward? I would regard that person as a PC type, so there's one"
You don't seem to think it's even possible that whoever complained did so becuase they found the joke offensive or upsetting. Given the nature of the subject and how recently it happened it doesn't seem remotly odd to me that someone might complain. Perhaps it was someone who lives in Thailand? Or someone who lost friends or relatives?
Matthew
PS Personally I would never complain to a moderator, and would instead either post my objection or just not read it or both.
But didn't you, BrianD, once complain to the moderator becuase someone threatened to track you down via elite hacking skills and set a one-legged Afghan refugee on you?
"Perhaps the person who instigated the removal of the joke might like to step forward? I would regard that person as a PC type, so there's one"
You don't seem to think it's even possible that whoever complained did so becuase they found the joke offensive or upsetting. Given the nature of the subject and how recently it happened it doesn't seem remotly odd to me that someone might complain. Perhaps it was someone who lives in Thailand? Or someone who lost friends or relatives?
Matthew
PS Personally I would never complain to a moderator, and would instead either post my objection or just not read it or both.
But didn't you, BrianD, once complain to the moderator becuase someone threatened to track you down via elite hacking skills and set a one-legged Afghan refugee on you?
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by long-time-dead
TomK
I understand the Glasgow Asian attitude 100% as I live in the very same city.
There is actually a building company here that is 100% Asian in staff and it's slogan i :
"Don't use cowboys - trust the Indians"
Kinda sums it all up, doesn't it ?
Life without laughter is a little like having death on pause.
I understand the Glasgow Asian attitude 100% as I live in the very same city.
There is actually a building company here that is 100% Asian in staff and it's slogan i :
"Don't use cowboys - trust the Indians"
Kinda sums it all up, doesn't it ?
Life without laughter is a little like having death on pause.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by long-time-dead
matthewr
Please stop being so bloody self-righteous about the whole PC issue. I distinctly remember you trying to weasel out the fact I objected to your mis-use of the term "scotch" when I confronted you with the fact that I termed it as a racist slur.
Put your own house in order before criticising anybody.
Please stop being so bloody self-righteous about the whole PC issue. I distinctly remember you trying to weasel out the fact I objected to your mis-use of the term "scotch" when I confronted you with the fact that I termed it as a racist slur.
Put your own house in order before criticising anybody.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by matthewr
long-time-dead,
a) I am not complaining about the "PC issue" I am saying its a figment of the imagination of some people and certainly has exactly zero bearing on the deletion of a joke in obvious poor taste.
b) I found your claim that "Scotch" is a racist slur to be utterly preposterous and said so. However, you will notice that I also stopped using it.
c) I didn't criticise anybody (other than those responsible for the various homophobic and sexist jokes) and just said that I thought it entierly understanable that a joke about the recent events in SE Asia might be upsetting or offensive and get deleted.
Matthew
a) I am not complaining about the "PC issue" I am saying its a figment of the imagination of some people and certainly has exactly zero bearing on the deletion of a joke in obvious poor taste.
b) I found your claim that "Scotch" is a racist slur to be utterly preposterous and said so. However, you will notice that I also stopped using it.
c) I didn't criticise anybody (other than those responsible for the various homophobic and sexist jokes) and just said that I thought it entierly understanable that a joke about the recent events in SE Asia might be upsetting or offensive and get deleted.
Matthew
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by BrianD
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Originally posted by matthewr:
PS Personally I would never complain to a moderator, and would instead either post my objection or just not read it or both.
But didn't you, BrianD, once complain to the moderator becuase someone threatened to track you down via elite hacking skills and set a one-legged Afghan refugee on you?
As a matter of fact, no. You've made assumptions Matthew, the same ones a number of your cronies will no doubt have made too. Why am I not surprised? Well, you're wrong, Matthew, completely wrong. I did not complain to a moderator at all about your mate.
Anyway, I frankly don't care that you won't believe me. What I'm interested in is that you would condemn anyone else for judging someone without knowing the facts, wouldn't you, Matthew? But you judged me, didn't you? Upset you that one of your 'mates' got banned, didn't it? So, no facts, but the judgement is made. You're a self-righteous hypocrite, Matthew. You just proved it.
Well done.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by rodwsmith
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Originally posted by JeremyD:quote:It's rather difficult for the dead to be outraged on their own behalf, isn't it?
Originally posted by rodwsmith:
I suspect anyone who really found it offensive is very probably being outraged on behalf of others. And such outrage is decidedly misplaced.
Good grief.
You surely cannot be serious Jeremy?
You think that joke was/should have been deleted because it might upset dead people?
I'm not religious at all but if an afterlife includes being able to get upset about jokes for all eternity then please I never get convinced.
The victims of this tragedy who might be able to claim upset at that joke, or anything else, are - as Matthew points out - the relatives and survivors. I still contend that they near-certainly couldn't give a tinker's cuss about jokes when they have to worry about, at the least, complicated financial and funeral arrangement and at the most, when/whether their children next get to eat.
Attempt, if you must, to speak on their behalf. But to suggest an item on an internet thread should have been deleted just in case in upsets the dead is just plain stupid. And you know it.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by long-time-dead
matthewr
Thank you for your clarification and also belated thanks in your refrain.
Truly appreciated.
Thank you for your clarification and also belated thanks in your refrain.
Truly appreciated.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by matthewr
I didn't condemn you Brian. I asked you, albeit somewhat rhetorically, if you had complained to a moderator.
And if anyone is judging without the facts it would appear to be the people such as yourself who doubt the motives of the person who complained about the joke despite not "knowing the facts".
And once again Brian I note it's you who is the one calling people names, not answering the points made and getting all hot and bothered.
Matthew
And if anyone is judging without the facts it would appear to be the people such as yourself who doubt the motives of the person who complained about the joke despite not "knowing the facts".
And once again Brian I note it's you who is the one calling people names, not answering the points made and getting all hot and bothered.
Matthew
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by BrianD
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Originally posted by matthewr:
I didn't condemn you Brian. I asked you, albeit somewhat rhetorically, if you had complained to a moderator.
Err, if you say so. Matthew. Earlier you made a statement, Matthew, it wasn't a question at all. Your claim that it wasn't a statement is ridiculous.
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And once again Brian I note it's you who is the one calling people names, not answering the points made and getting all hot and bothered.
How do you expect a person to react to your childlike snipe in your previous post? Grow up for goodness sake. I've read many threads on ths forum, I'm not the only one who appears to find you to be very self-righteous. Think about it.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by matthewr
Brian,
Every time you pay us one of your infrequent visits, there is some kind of argument, you lose your rag and start calling people names and complaining about how you have been misunderstood. Think about it.
Matthew
PS You still aren't explaining why or how you have determined that the person who comlpained is a PC Gone Mad rather than someone who was just upset or offended by a joke in obvious poor taste.
Every time you pay us one of your infrequent visits, there is some kind of argument, you lose your rag and start calling people names and complaining about how you have been misunderstood. Think about it.
Matthew
PS You still aren't explaining why or how you have determined that the person who comlpained is a PC Gone Mad rather than someone who was just upset or offended by a joke in obvious poor taste.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by Paul Ranson
This joke was a bit tasteless but I'd expect only the stupid to be offended. Particularly the Daily Mail tendency.
Anyway really sick stuff here.
Paul
Anyway really sick stuff here.
Paul
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by BrianD
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Originally posted by matthewr:
Brian,
Every time you pay us one of your infrequent visits, there is some kind of argument,
Aye. Terrible isn't it? Why is it always with you though, Matthew? Still upset about your mate, eh?
quote:
you lose your rag and start calling people names and complaining about how you have been misunderstood. Think about it.
Lost my rag? Don't make me laugh.
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PS You still aren't explaining why or how you have determined that the person who comlpained is a PC Gone Mad rather than someone who was just upset or offended by a joke in obvious poor taste.
You still haven't told everyone why you want ME to explain this, yet you want NOBODY ELSE who believes this to explain.
Posted on: 29 January 2005 by wolfe_shepmann
Brian,
Although Matthew's observation implied a touch of hypocrisy on your part, it was phrased in the sort of jovial manner not uncharacteristic of everyday witty banter among friends. This is nothing like coming straight out and calling you a hypocrite, yet you have gone well out of your way to take (feign?) offense and be explicitly rude. I think you owe him an a public apology.
Wolfe
Although Matthew's observation implied a touch of hypocrisy on your part, it was phrased in the sort of jovial manner not uncharacteristic of everyday witty banter among friends. This is nothing like coming straight out and calling you a hypocrite, yet you have gone well out of your way to take (feign?) offense and be explicitly rude. I think you owe him an a public apology.
Wolfe