DIY Naim interconnects
Posted by: Rockingdoc on 26 March 2004
After much experimenting I am (reluctantly) forced to admit that the original Naim interconnects sound best in my system. But I still need to fiddle about and make up my own leads. For example I need a few DIN to phonos, and vice-versa, for my non-Naim components.
Anyone know where to source the cable off-the-reel, and where to obtain the best DIN plugs?
Anyone know where to source the cable off-the-reel, and where to obtain the best DIN plugs?
Posted on: 26 March 2004 by Laurie Saunders
The Din plugs that are one and the same that naim use, are made by PREH and can easily be obtained from RS
laurie S
laurie S
Posted on: 26 March 2004 by Rockingdoc
Thanks, any ideas about the cable?
Posted on: 26 March 2004 by Laurie Saunders
The sky`s the limit
obviously you are limited by physical size, ie the ability to fit it into Din plugs
I use Ecosse Reference between my CDP (non-naim) and 52, although for my Nat01, I`ve tried a few and always come back to the supplied naim cable.
Chord`s range seem to work well (eg Chord Cobra 2)
Haven`t tried too many others
Laurie S
obviously you are limited by physical size, ie the ability to fit it into Din plugs
I use Ecosse Reference between my CDP (non-naim) and 52, although for my Nat01, I`ve tried a few and always come back to the supplied naim cable.
Chord`s range seem to work well (eg Chord Cobra 2)
Haven`t tried too many others
Laurie S
Posted on: 26 March 2004 by Rockingdoc
Nooooo!!
I've made up loads of exotica. I want the original cable.
I've made up loads of exotica. I want the original cable.
Posted on: 26 March 2004 by Steve O
Do you think Naim would sell you some?
Or maybe you could modify a Snaic.
Hope this isnt as naff as it seems now I typed it!
Regards,
Steve O.
Or maybe you could modify a Snaic.
Hope this isnt as naff as it seems now I typed it!
Regards,
Steve O.
Posted on: 26 March 2004 by Laurie Saunders
quote:
I've made up loads of exotica. I want the original cable
Sorry, I thought you wanted to experiment with different cables
As Steve O suggested maybe you can persuade Naim to sell you some "loose" cable........or perhaps a dealer. My money would be on them declining, though you may succeed. Best of luck
Laurie S
Posted on: 27 March 2004 by Mick P
I find this thread hard to believe.
Why risk the sound quality on a top notch system by messing about with interconnects.
I trust Naims R&D dept to come up with the best cables. They are certainly more competent than any of us lot.
Regards
Mick
Why risk the sound quality on a top notch system by messing about with interconnects.
I trust Naims R&D dept to come up with the best cables. They are certainly more competent than any of us lot.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 27 March 2004 by Laurie Saunders
Mick
Not everyone is using a "standard" Naim system, ie different speakers, CDPs etc. In some circumstances, alternatives to Naim`s cable may give results that are preferred, though I myself prefer NACA5 over others that I`ve tried so far, for example. Some of the Chord range are widely praised , both for interconnect, and speaker cable. Changing cable does give some scope for "tuning" the system for a given room. I would agree that the cable that Naim supply/recommend makes a good starting point in most cases
Laurie S
quote:
Why risk the sound quality on a top notch system by messing about with interconnects.
I trust Naims R&D dept to come up with the best cables.
Not everyone is using a "standard" Naim system, ie different speakers, CDPs etc. In some circumstances, alternatives to Naim`s cable may give results that are preferred, though I myself prefer NACA5 over others that I`ve tried so far, for example. Some of the Chord range are widely praised , both for interconnect, and speaker cable. Changing cable does give some scope for "tuning" the system for a given room. I would agree that the cable that Naim supply/recommend makes a good starting point in most cases
Laurie S
Posted on: 27 March 2004 by Emil F
Rockingdoc
Ask your dealer for phono to DIN interconnects. Chord Chorus is the cable which will give you the naim sound. You can order DIN to phono and vice-versa interconnects.
Emil
Ask your dealer for phono to DIN interconnects. Chord Chorus is the cable which will give you the naim sound. You can order DIN to phono and vice-versa interconnects.
Emil
Posted on: 27 March 2004 by Mr.Tibbs
"After much experimenting I am (reluctantly) forced to admit that the original Naim interconnects sound best in my system."
Doctoring Naim cables eh? You should be struck off the forum immediately.
I went through this phase myself and what a waste of time and money it was. The Naim IC's are well up to the job, and therefore very good value.
If you need din to phono leads and want to use Naim leads, the easiest option is to buy the standard Naim din to din lead and change one end to phono plugs. You don't need to take the 0V screen into both plugs BTW.
Mr Tibbs
Doctoring Naim cables eh? You should be struck off the forum immediately.
I went through this phase myself and what a waste of time and money it was. The Naim IC's are well up to the job, and therefore very good value.
If you need din to phono leads and want to use Naim leads, the easiest option is to buy the standard Naim din to din lead and change one end to phono plugs. You don't need to take the 0V screen into both plugs BTW.
Mr Tibbs
Posted on: 27 March 2004 by Nime
Isn't it rather odd that Naim don't supply a 2 x phono to DIN? I can see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't help their customers who wish to use a non-Naim box.
For example: I use 2 satellite TV receivers (one digital & one analogue), a non-Naim CDP, a VHS video recorder, a cassette recorder & a non-Naim tuner through my 72/180. It's a real bore messing endlessly with cables. My best find so far was a recently purchased Flashback cable that goes permanently to my CDP.
May I ask the "powers that be" their policy reason for their failure to provide what their otherwise loyal customers need? Naimly a Naim quality 2 x phono to DIN.
Do I detect an ostrich at work here?
Nime
Everyone has the right to be wrong.
For example: I use 2 satellite TV receivers (one digital & one analogue), a non-Naim CDP, a VHS video recorder, a cassette recorder & a non-Naim tuner through my 72/180. It's a real bore messing endlessly with cables. My best find so far was a recently purchased Flashback cable that goes permanently to my CDP.
May I ask the "powers that be" their policy reason for their failure to provide what their otherwise loyal customers need? Naimly a Naim quality 2 x phono to DIN.
Do I detect an ostrich at work here?
Nime
Everyone has the right to be wrong.
Posted on: 27 March 2004 by Geoff P
Whilst I agree Naim is guilty of not providing an RCA - DIN cable in the box. How many manufacturers provide anything better than string as a connecting lead in their baoxes?
Of course they have a nice deal going with Chord and the average Naim stockist will typically have at least 1m Chord Din to RCA's on the shelf. The turn round time for longer leads oredered from Chord is pretty good and you know you are getting the "lead" that is provided on the DIN-DIN that for example comes with the Naim CDP's. The problem I have is with SNAIC's. I have somehow lost SNAIC's when selling my older Naim kit and then did not get new ones automatically with the new Naim kit that replaced it.
Naim is not the only one that presents us with a minefield. Look at this whole "balanced" XLR to "unbalanced" RCA thing. Not only is that a cable suppliers heaven it adds yet another level of "trial and error" to the best interconnect maze.
regards
GEOFF
Of course they have a nice deal going with Chord and the average Naim stockist will typically have at least 1m Chord Din to RCA's on the shelf. The turn round time for longer leads oredered from Chord is pretty good and you know you are getting the "lead" that is provided on the DIN-DIN that for example comes with the Naim CDP's. The problem I have is with SNAIC's. I have somehow lost SNAIC's when selling my older Naim kit and then did not get new ones automatically with the new Naim kit that replaced it.
Naim is not the only one that presents us with a minefield. Look at this whole "balanced" XLR to "unbalanced" RCA thing. Not only is that a cable suppliers heaven it adds yet another level of "trial and error" to the best interconnect maze.
regards
GEOFF
Posted on: 27 March 2004 by Nime
GEOFF
I thought all Naim cables were made in house? Are they made up from Chord-supplied reels of cable?
Nime
Everyone has the right to be wrong.
I thought all Naim cables were made in house? Are they made up from Chord-supplied reels of cable?
Nime
Everyone has the right to be wrong.
Posted on: 27 March 2004 by Geoff P
[QUOTE] [/I thought all Naim cables were made in house? Are they made up from Chord-supplied reels of cable?
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I believe yes basically .
I am not sure if Chord supplies the cables already made up or just supplies the lead and Naim makes them up in their factory when they supply them with new kit.
In the UK if you ask a Naim dealer to get you a cable he will get it from Chord made up to order.
So if you need a special such as say a 4 pin to 5 pin din for a Satgeline driven off a PS or you want a DIN -RCA "in" & "out" as a record & playback cable, that's where the dealer would get it from.
regards
GEOFF
QUOTE]
I believe yes basically .
I am not sure if Chord supplies the cables already made up or just supplies the lead and Naim makes them up in their factory when they supply them with new kit.
In the UK if you ask a Naim dealer to get you a cable he will get it from Chord made up to order.
So if you need a special such as say a 4 pin to 5 pin din for a Satgeline driven off a PS or you want a DIN -RCA "in" & "out" as a record & playback cable, that's where the dealer would get it from.
regards
GEOFF
Posted on: 30 March 2004 by Goldstar
I ordered 10 meters of genuine Naim interconnect from a Naim dealer here in Germany with no trouble at all . Cost 5 euros per meter.
Cheers Robert
Cheers Robert
Posted on: 30 March 2004 by Goldstar
I forgot to make it clear that was just for the cable off the reel.
Posted on: 30 March 2004 by Laurie Saunders
quote:
I ordered 10 meters of genuine Naim interconnect from a Naim dealer here in Germany with no trouble at all . Cost 5 euros per meter.
that`s interesting. I need some (longer than standard ) interconnects. I`ll have to try a UK dealer
Laurie s
Posted on: 31 March 2004 by Rockingdoc
This is what I want. The cable that Naim uses and the plugs that Naim uses, with the solder that the 'doc uses. Unfortunately my dealer was unable to help when I last asked (a long time ago). The point is Naim buy the cable from somewhere, and the makers probably supply smallish quantities elsewhere. I'd go for a 100m reel.
I can't see the point in paying extra to Chord Co. or similar to do the work.
I can't see the point in paying extra to Chord Co. or similar to do the work.
Posted on: 31 March 2004 by Rockingdoc
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
I find this thread hard to believe.
Why risk the sound quality on a top notch system by messing about with interconnects.
I trust Naims R&D dept to come up with the best cables. They are certainly more competent than any of us lot.
Regards
Mick
I think you may have missed the point, unless you believe that soldering a DIN plug is a black art known only to Naim.
Posted on: 31 March 2004 by Laurie Saunders
quote:
I'd go for a 100m reel.
are you sure that would be enough?
quote:
unless you believe that soldering a DIN plug is a black art known only to Naim.
precisely
Rockingdoc.....if you succeed in locating a supplier"off reel" i woul appreciate a pm
laurie S
Posted on: 31 March 2004 by Rockingdoc
I'm surprised nobody here knows where to source the cable. I'll have to try asking on another forum. If I dare.
Posted on: 31 March 2004 by Rockingdoc
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Tibbs:
If you need din to phono leads and want to use Naim leads, the easiest option is to buy the standard Naim din to din lead and change one end to phono plugs.Mr Tibbs
Gets very costly if you want to run send and return to three recorders from a 52 (which I do)
Naim supply the pre-amp with the sockets, but don't sell a cable.
Posted on: 31 March 2004 by Andrew L. Weekes
quote:
Naim supply the pre-amp with the sockets, but don't sell a cable.
But Chord Co. do.
I've a some Maplin cable that's similar in look and construction (4 core screened) that I bought cheap. It's a little thinner (0.5mm) than the genuine article and has a little higher capacitance, but you are welcome to some for free, to try. It's what I use for connections to less-critical items (TV / DVD etc.).
It's not as good as the Naim stuff (because of the different characteristcis), but you're welcome to a few metres or so, if you wish to try it, no charge.
Andy.
Posted on: 31 March 2004 by Rockingdoc
thanks Andrew, but I wanted to try the real deal. I already have many interconnects made up with much more expensive cable.
Posted on: 31 March 2004 by Nime
Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of the so-called "silver soldering" for cables?
My engineering silver solder is everything bright red hot under a roaring gas flame and lashings of watery flux put on with a 4" brush. This doesn't sound like quite the same stuff.
Nime
Everyone has the right to be wrong.
My engineering silver solder is everything bright red hot under a roaring gas flame and lashings of watery flux put on with a 4" brush. This doesn't sound like quite the same stuff.
Nime
Everyone has the right to be wrong.