Help me design the worlds worst VFM system
Posted by: Minky on 21 March 2004
The scenario
You go the doctor and he says "Mate, it seems dat on your recent trip up de Congo you contracted an extremely rare tropical disease. In approximately six months you will spontanehously explode. Sorry."
Besides being already moderately well healed, your life is insured for "buckets" and the policy pays out in advance for terminal conditions.
This is a complicated situation because on the one hand you are now wealthy beyond your wildest dreams but on the other hand you have bugger all time to enjoy it, if indeed any form of "enjoyment" is possible with the big bang just round the corner. To add insult to injury you have never really loved your "loved ones" and they are already starting to circle like vultures.
The plan
Then it hits you. A plan that will give you hours of fun AND, if executed professionally, send your pig-like family to the poor house where they belong, the bastards.
The idea is this : purchase the worlds most expensive crap hi-fi. Why ? because :
1) The quest will drive you quickly and efficiently to bankruptcy.
2) The quest to spend the MOST on the WORST will be a hell of a laugh.
3) No one will be any the wiser until it's too late. Let's face it - bugger all of your civilian next-door neighbors suspect that your "nice sounding" system has cost you more than the GDP of Afghanistan.
4) Post detonation the gear will be worth about as much as your smoking remains.
The question
The question is this : What LP/CD/preamp/power amp(s)/speakers will hoover up the most cash, give the worst possible results and be totally worthless on the second-hand market ?
You go the doctor and he says "Mate, it seems dat on your recent trip up de Congo you contracted an extremely rare tropical disease. In approximately six months you will spontanehously explode. Sorry."
Besides being already moderately well healed, your life is insured for "buckets" and the policy pays out in advance for terminal conditions.
This is a complicated situation because on the one hand you are now wealthy beyond your wildest dreams but on the other hand you have bugger all time to enjoy it, if indeed any form of "enjoyment" is possible with the big bang just round the corner. To add insult to injury you have never really loved your "loved ones" and they are already starting to circle like vultures.
The plan
Then it hits you. A plan that will give you hours of fun AND, if executed professionally, send your pig-like family to the poor house where they belong, the bastards.
The idea is this : purchase the worlds most expensive crap hi-fi. Why ? because :
1) The quest will drive you quickly and efficiently to bankruptcy.
2) The quest to spend the MOST on the WORST will be a hell of a laugh.
3) No one will be any the wiser until it's too late. Let's face it - bugger all of your civilian next-door neighbors suspect that your "nice sounding" system has cost you more than the GDP of Afghanistan.
4) Post detonation the gear will be worth about as much as your smoking remains.
The question
The question is this : What LP/CD/preamp/power amp(s)/speakers will hoover up the most cash, give the worst possible results and be totally worthless on the second-hand market ?
Posted on: 21 March 2004 by redeye
Plan 2
Bollocks to the hifi. Use capital to start record label...bribe the right people so record label gets big-ass worldwide distribution deal.
Release nothing 'cept CD by NZ Idol winner. Watch yer millions circle their way rapidly down the bog
Bollocks to the hifi. Use capital to start record label...bribe the right people so record label gets big-ass worldwide distribution deal.
Release nothing 'cept CD by NZ Idol winner. Watch yer millions circle their way rapidly down the bog
Posted on: 21 March 2004 by JeremyD
I once went to a concert at a stadium in Calcutta, given by some of the greatest Indian classical musicians. It was painful to listen to, thanks to a a PA system consisting of unknown amplification and a ring of maybe thirty Bose speakers.
So my vote goes for some monster system with thirty Bose speakers. It might be a little impractical in the average British sitting room - but when did the average hi-fi nut care about practicality?
So my vote goes for some monster system with thirty Bose speakers. It might be a little impractical in the average British sitting room - but when did the average hi-fi nut care about practicality?
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by Greg Beatty
"NZ Idol winner"
Hey, that guy is GOOD!!!
My wife and I were on the floor laughing when Kelly Clarkson kept coming in behind him country after country...
- GregB
Insert Witty Signature Line Here
Hey, that guy is GOOD!!!
My wife and I were on the floor laughing when Kelly Clarkson kept coming in behind him country after country...
- GregB
Insert Witty Signature Line Here
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by domfjbrown
quote:
Originally posted by Emeritus:
Buy Dixons Stores Group's entire stock of £99 Matsui midis.
Firstly, I didn't know Matsui made a stereo that cost that much any more.
Secondly, we're talking hifi equipment, not firewood!
__________________________
Don't wanna be cremated or buried in a grave
Just dump me in a plastic bag and leave me on the pavement
A tribute to your modern world, your great society
I'm just another victim of your highrise fantasy!
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by Minky
Frankly, I'm disappointed. I come to the oracle of all hi-fi knowledge seeking precision and all I get is mockery and waffle. It's simply not good enough.
Surely somewhere on this wonderful plant of ours there exists a turntable fashioned from a 500 pound block of alabaster encased in a kelvin zero jacket with a 300 psi reverse-osmosis platter and a 17 karat stylus tip that costs $3M USD and sounds like a skipful of burning cats ? What sort of turntable does Mike Tyson run ? Isn't there some sort of military grade amplifier derived from alien technology that runs it's own fast-breed reactor using Trident submarine fuel rods that produces a soundstage so deep and wide that you have to have a lounge the size of the coliseum to hear all the instruments ?
Come on chaps, time's a wastin
Surely somewhere on this wonderful plant of ours there exists a turntable fashioned from a 500 pound block of alabaster encased in a kelvin zero jacket with a 300 psi reverse-osmosis platter and a 17 karat stylus tip that costs $3M USD and sounds like a skipful of burning cats ? What sort of turntable does Mike Tyson run ? Isn't there some sort of military grade amplifier derived from alien technology that runs it's own fast-breed reactor using Trident submarine fuel rods that produces a soundstage so deep and wide that you have to have a lounge the size of the coliseum to hear all the instruments ?
Come on chaps, time's a wastin
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by Stuart M
Well start with the power supply http://www.iter.org/ that should sort of $10 billion of your windfall.
Then for transmitting the power to your home you could try these http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=1199
Then for transmitting the power to your home you could try these http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=1199
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by sideshowbob
Hmmm, worst VFM.
CDS3/552/500/DBLs?
(Sorry, somebody had to do it...)
-- Ian
CDS3/552/500/DBLs?
(Sorry, somebody had to do it...)
-- Ian
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by redeye
Careful son..
They've been known to build gallows for heretics like you
They've been known to build gallows for heretics like you
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by Stevea
quote:
Originally posted by Minky:
Frankly, I'm disappointed. I come to the oracle of all hi-fi knowledge seeking precision and all I get is mockery and waffle. It's simply not good enough.
.....bla bla bla....
Come on chaps, time's a wastin
OK, you asked for it. This beauy might not meet your price criteria but it must come pretty cose to taking the biscuit for minimum VFM. Recently failed to sell on epay with a reserve price of US$7000, can't work out why.
"The CD Player is called "Carissima Donna" and is build by a Hi-End specialised East European company with German input - Art&Sound - which creates innovative technology mixed with genuine art productions. And the results are just splendid! This is not just a CD Player, it's a Modern Art marble sculpture mixed with High End sound. "
Steve
[This message was edited by Stevea on Mon 22 March 2004 at 22:42.]
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by Minky
Now we're talking ! Problem is these Naim based systems tend to be too dang good when it comes to resale, so the bastard family would still get a significant proportion of the fortune. The "Carissima Donna" is good for a laugh but looks like a Saddam special - they would twig something was afoot in an instant.
Can't you bitches come up with something a bit more "real world" ?
Can't you bitches come up with something a bit more "real world" ?
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by Jonathan Hales
I thought you said you werent coming back on here you lying bastard.
It's true.
He told me in the weekend you were all as boring as batshit and would never darken the forum again never ever.
Caught ya, liar liar pants on fire.
It's true.
He told me in the weekend you were all as boring as batshit and would never darken the forum again never ever.
Caught ya, liar liar pants on fire.
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by Minky
I bloody never ! It was you that said you were sexually bored with goats and had started to eye up dolphin boys. I'd take off if I were you mate - they don't take kindly to same-sex pedophilic aquatic mammal molesters on this forum.
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by Mitch
Here’s what you’re looking for.
Start with the best wood knob money can buy.
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2
At only $485 each you could put them on everything. Hopefully there won’t be a discount if you buy them by the dozen.
"How can this make a difference??? Well, hearing is believing as we always say. The sound becomes much more open and free flowing with a nice improvement in resolution. Dynamics are better and overall naturalness is improved."
Mitch
Start with the best wood knob money can buy.
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2
At only $485 each you could put them on everything. Hopefully there won’t be a discount if you buy them by the dozen.
"How can this make a difference??? Well, hearing is believing as we always say. The sound becomes much more open and free flowing with a nice improvement in resolution. Dynamics are better and overall naturalness is improved."
Mitch
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by Stevea
quote:
Originally posted by Minky:
Now we're talking ! Problem is these Naim based systems tend to be too dang good when it comes to resale, so the bastard family would still get a significant proportion of the fortune. The "Carissima Donna" is good for a laugh but looks like a Saddam special - they would twig something was afoot in an instant.
Can't you bitches come up with something a bit more "real world" ?
Perhaps if you put your money into an R&D company set up with the expressed purpose of creating the worls best audio system. Statistics say that your money would go on corporate lunches, overpriced furniture and BS publicity before anything was actually built. The downside risk is that the effort might accidentally produce something. Still, life is not without risks and the risk could be covered off by ensuring that the company was in massive debt by the time of your departure.
Steve
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by redeye
Never hold your farts in
They travel up your spine to your brain
That's where crap ideas come from..
Minky stop holdin 'em in
luv
redeye
They travel up your spine to your brain
That's where crap ideas come from..
Minky stop holdin 'em in
luv
redeye
Posted on: 22 March 2004 by Minky
Mitch,
Those are exciting, well priced knobs ! I can see them babies adorning a stack of Krells.
Stevea,
Sound idea but I just don't have time
Redeye,
That's either a compliment or an insult. Innit ?
Jono,
Piss up a rope stick dolphin muncher.
Those are exciting, well priced knobs ! I can see them babies adorning a stack of Krells.
Stevea,
Sound idea but I just don't have time
Redeye,
That's either a compliment or an insult. Innit ?
Jono,
Piss up a rope stick dolphin muncher.
Posted on: 23 March 2004 by Rico
hmmm, so -ve resale value is a requirement here too. How fast can you fill in the gaps in Pl_n__s?
Surely anything you can buy in this instance can double as a mooring for your expensive yacht on which you while away the hours to your impending doom with a bevvy of bronzed brunette bimbettes - rendering even the best VFM system known to man or beast (the party pack TM) worthless?
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
Surely anything you can buy in this instance can double as a mooring for your expensive yacht on which you while away the hours to your impending doom with a bevvy of bronzed brunette bimbettes - rendering even the best VFM system known to man or beast (the party pack TM) worthless?
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
Posted on: 23 March 2004 by matthewr
To make your hi-fi sound bad just avoid upgrading it for a while and with enough sneering references to your "old fashioned" or "primitive" 82 you'll soon be convinced it sounds awful.
Then to radically increase its cost at no risk of improvement just mount your existing system on a stack of gold bullion.
You can then spend your remaining time posting under a variety of aliases on the various hi-fi fora about how after 20 years of unsatisfactory upgrades you finally found audio nirvana by replacing your Fraim/Mana/Quadraspire with a stack of bling.
Here's some quotes to get your going:
"How can you expect your preamp to work correctly when you its not installed on ingots?"
"You can start with a basic sheet of gold leaf which will in itself be a revelation but you should really upgrade to proper bullion for the full effect. I'm currently running my rig on 8 layer stack modelled on that used in the James Bond film Goldfinger and visiting friends often remark how my hi-fi is "Fucking amazing".
"Recent experiments have shown that the best sounding gold is Nazi Gold which can be acquired throughout South America and from secret vaults underneath Swiss banks."
"Although Gold Mounting can be expensive you can save money by melting down existing jewelery such as wedding rings or perhaps checking the fillings of any recently deceased elderly relatives. For safety reasons its not recommended that you try the latter in situations where the deceased passed away in suspicious circumstances."
This means you can go to your grave happy in the knowledge that not only do you have a hideously and pointlessly expensive hi-fi but you have started a cult that will gradually erode the VFM of lots of other people's as well.
Matthew
Then to radically increase its cost at no risk of improvement just mount your existing system on a stack of gold bullion.
You can then spend your remaining time posting under a variety of aliases on the various hi-fi fora about how after 20 years of unsatisfactory upgrades you finally found audio nirvana by replacing your Fraim/Mana/Quadraspire with a stack of bling.
Here's some quotes to get your going:
"How can you expect your preamp to work correctly when you its not installed on ingots?"
"You can start with a basic sheet of gold leaf which will in itself be a revelation but you should really upgrade to proper bullion for the full effect. I'm currently running my rig on 8 layer stack modelled on that used in the James Bond film Goldfinger and visiting friends often remark how my hi-fi is "Fucking amazing".
"Recent experiments have shown that the best sounding gold is Nazi Gold which can be acquired throughout South America and from secret vaults underneath Swiss banks."
"Although Gold Mounting can be expensive you can save money by melting down existing jewelery such as wedding rings or perhaps checking the fillings of any recently deceased elderly relatives. For safety reasons its not recommended that you try the latter in situations where the deceased passed away in suspicious circumstances."
This means you can go to your grave happy in the knowledge that not only do you have a hideously and pointlessly expensive hi-fi but you have started a cult that will gradually erode the VFM of lots of other people's as well.
Matthew
Posted on: 23 March 2004 by Minky
Matthew,
I get your drift and totally agree with the sentiment but there is a fundamental flaw in your suggestion in relation to my specification in that if I loaded a Naim system onto a cache of Nazi gold, the Naim system and the gold would still be worth more or less what I paid for it.
Oh well, now that my question has been relegated to the padded cell (cheers Jonathan) I guess it'll never be seriously attended to by the hi-fi intelligentsia. I really WAS interested in finding out what equipment would offer the best balance of poor sound quality, extreme expense and steep depreciation. I thought it would be a hoot to be wooed by a hi-fi charlatan peddling a stack of elephant sized components and end up saying, "well, this system sounds utterly horrible, the worst I've ever heard in fact, but it IS incredibly expensive and near worthless on the second-hand market so I'll TAKE IT !
I get your drift and totally agree with the sentiment but there is a fundamental flaw in your suggestion in relation to my specification in that if I loaded a Naim system onto a cache of Nazi gold, the Naim system and the gold would still be worth more or less what I paid for it.
Oh well, now that my question has been relegated to the padded cell (cheers Jonathan) I guess it'll never be seriously attended to by the hi-fi intelligentsia. I really WAS interested in finding out what equipment would offer the best balance of poor sound quality, extreme expense and steep depreciation. I thought it would be a hoot to be wooed by a hi-fi charlatan peddling a stack of elephant sized components and end up saying, "well, this system sounds utterly horrible, the worst I've ever heard in fact, but it IS incredibly expensive and near worthless on the second-hand market so I'll TAKE IT !
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by Rick Weldon
a musical fidelity nu-vista system
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by Martin Clark
...driving lots of Thiel speakers...
Posted on: 29 March 2004 by joe90
Alright, the gaunlet has been laid down.
Sources:
Linn CD12 with a real expensive Kimber interconnect hard wired to the back of it, Meridian DVD player with a real expensive Kimber interconnect hard wired to the back of it.
Technics DJ turntable with Dynavector cartridge, with rewired arm from Origin Live, all with isolation blocks that are really expensive. (And a real expensive Kimber interconnect hard wired to the back of it) and VPI record cleaning machine. Benz/Aesthetics Cartridge Demagnitizer @ US$199
Cardas Test Record 2 @ US$24 and Sorbogel record mat from Audioquest @ US$95. Cartridge Man Electronic Stylus Force Gauge (!) @ US$300.
Upgrade clamp to Shun Mook Resonating Record Clamp @ US$1800 and a KAB SuperStrobe speed disk and strobe @ US$100.
Linn Kivor 'Pitch Accurate' Hard disc drive.
Shanling tube CD player too, Dynaclear (get this) 'Tube Socket Cleaning Brushes' @ US$19 ea. And of course you can't be without Ensemble TubeSox Kevlar Tube Dampers (wow, Kevlar) @ US$85 pair. And also Shun Mook Input and Output Tube Resonators at $120 for for and $150 pair respectively
Preamplifier: the top Dynavector and a humungously expensive battery powered phonostage, run in especially with a KAB PreConLP Phono Section Burnin (correct spelling) device. Tag McLaren AV processor (the one with 723 upgrades supplied FREE! already)
Power amplifiers: Plinius SA monoblocs x 7 on Mana support racks internally rewired with real expensive Kimber cable.
Power supply from any one of those manufacturers. All items with Nordost 2m power cables at £1750 each and those stupid bits of metal you're supposed to put in different spots on the gear to eliminate 'resonance' from Eichmann.
Nordost Valhalla Speaker cable. On cable supports; Shun Mook 'Diamond Resonators' @ $1500 for three (but you'll need 17, all measured carefully at RANDOM intervals with some kind of hell accurate and expensive laser instrument - breaks up standing waves along the cable you see)
Shahinian Diapasons in 7.1 mode, all rewired internally with Cardas Golden reference Speaker Wire, all on Arcici Suspense Air Isolation racks @ US$2300 each. All drive units sheathed in Mi-Horns (US$70 value - check them out on MIHORN.com - they have to be seen to be believed)
Seven Wilson Watchdog subwoofers driving off each of the preouts of the McLaren processor, all internally rewired with Audioquest Everest cable. All on Aurious MIB Isolation feet (Set of three US$600).
Pioneer 60 inch rear projection tv with a Virual Dynamics Master Video Component Video cable @ US$3300 for a three metre length
Accessories (deep breath):
Milty Static Killing Gun @ US$75
Nordost Cable Cooker @ US$1500
Shakti Hallograph Acoustic Treatments (lots) @ US$998 pr
Audio Desk Systeme CD Cleaning Machine @ US $2000 (really)
Furutech RD-2 CD Demagnetizer @ US$349
Bedini CD Stabilzer/Ultra Clarifier2 $ US$50 and $180 respectively
Audio Desk Systeme 'Disc Lathe (edge trimming' @ US $595 (Yes, you heard that right)
Marigo 'Stealth CD Mat' US$80
Audioquest Binding post wrench (?) US$10
Shakti "On-Lines" Electromagnetic interference diffusor (????) US$99 pair (several pairs needed I'm sure)
Sound Check II Test CD w/built in Audio Spectrum Analyser US$129 (cause you really know what you're doing with that eh!!)
Walker Audio High Definition Links @ US$650 (no idea what they are but sound essential)
Elfix polarity Tester US$30 (huh?)
Electrglide Gold-Plated outlets US$59 (special price apparently)
Marigo VTS Tuning Dots @ US$69 each (Someone pulease tell me what these are supposed to do)
Sorbothane Damping Sheets $20 each.
WireWorld Wire Comparator CD (it's completely objective Ive been assured!!)
And a customised Crestron remote control system.
This should set you back crap loads and sound right crap.
Joe90
Sources:
Linn CD12 with a real expensive Kimber interconnect hard wired to the back of it, Meridian DVD player with a real expensive Kimber interconnect hard wired to the back of it.
Technics DJ turntable with Dynavector cartridge, with rewired arm from Origin Live, all with isolation blocks that are really expensive. (And a real expensive Kimber interconnect hard wired to the back of it) and VPI record cleaning machine. Benz/Aesthetics Cartridge Demagnitizer @ US$199
Cardas Test Record 2 @ US$24 and Sorbogel record mat from Audioquest @ US$95. Cartridge Man Electronic Stylus Force Gauge (!) @ US$300.
Upgrade clamp to Shun Mook Resonating Record Clamp @ US$1800 and a KAB SuperStrobe speed disk and strobe @ US$100.
Linn Kivor 'Pitch Accurate' Hard disc drive.
Shanling tube CD player too, Dynaclear (get this) 'Tube Socket Cleaning Brushes' @ US$19 ea. And of course you can't be without Ensemble TubeSox Kevlar Tube Dampers (wow, Kevlar) @ US$85 pair. And also Shun Mook Input and Output Tube Resonators at $120 for for and $150 pair respectively
Preamplifier: the top Dynavector and a humungously expensive battery powered phonostage, run in especially with a KAB PreConLP Phono Section Burnin (correct spelling) device. Tag McLaren AV processor (the one with 723 upgrades supplied FREE! already)
Power amplifiers: Plinius SA monoblocs x 7 on Mana support racks internally rewired with real expensive Kimber cable.
Power supply from any one of those manufacturers. All items with Nordost 2m power cables at £1750 each and those stupid bits of metal you're supposed to put in different spots on the gear to eliminate 'resonance' from Eichmann.
Nordost Valhalla Speaker cable. On cable supports; Shun Mook 'Diamond Resonators' @ $1500 for three (but you'll need 17, all measured carefully at RANDOM intervals with some kind of hell accurate and expensive laser instrument - breaks up standing waves along the cable you see)
Shahinian Diapasons in 7.1 mode, all rewired internally with Cardas Golden reference Speaker Wire, all on Arcici Suspense Air Isolation racks @ US$2300 each. All drive units sheathed in Mi-Horns (US$70 value - check them out on MIHORN.com - they have to be seen to be believed)
Seven Wilson Watchdog subwoofers driving off each of the preouts of the McLaren processor, all internally rewired with Audioquest Everest cable. All on Aurious MIB Isolation feet (Set of three US$600).
Pioneer 60 inch rear projection tv with a Virual Dynamics Master Video Component Video cable @ US$3300 for a three metre length
Accessories (deep breath):
Milty Static Killing Gun @ US$75
Nordost Cable Cooker @ US$1500
Shakti Hallograph Acoustic Treatments (lots) @ US$998 pr
Audio Desk Systeme CD Cleaning Machine @ US $2000 (really)
Furutech RD-2 CD Demagnetizer @ US$349
Bedini CD Stabilzer/Ultra Clarifier2 $ US$50 and $180 respectively
Audio Desk Systeme 'Disc Lathe (edge trimming' @ US $595 (Yes, you heard that right)
Marigo 'Stealth CD Mat' US$80
Audioquest Binding post wrench (?) US$10
Shakti "On-Lines" Electromagnetic interference diffusor (????) US$99 pair (several pairs needed I'm sure)
Sound Check II Test CD w/built in Audio Spectrum Analyser US$129 (cause you really know what you're doing with that eh!!)
Walker Audio High Definition Links @ US$650 (no idea what they are but sound essential)
Elfix polarity Tester US$30 (huh?)
Electrglide Gold-Plated outlets US$59 (special price apparently)
Marigo VTS Tuning Dots @ US$69 each (Someone pulease tell me what these are supposed to do)
Sorbothane Damping Sheets $20 each.
WireWorld Wire Comparator CD (it's completely objective Ive been assured!!)
And a customised Crestron remote control system.
This should set you back crap loads and sound right crap.
Joe90
Posted on: 29 March 2004 by Minky
Joe, I just laughed so hard I sh*t my p*nts. This is exactly what I was after
Will this lot definitely sound bad ? Surely this needs to be debated on the hi-fi forum ?
Will this lot definitely sound bad ? Surely this needs to be debated on the hi-fi forum ?
Posted on: 29 March 2004 by joe90
Actually it's a system that Chris Murphy has in his basement. Only a select few Naim devotees have seen and heard it. It's the next step over an active DBL system.
You have to drink the blood of a virgin Real Music Company customer in order to be initiated into the inner sanctum.
Oh, and remember to take your 180gram vinyl copy of Richard Clayderman sings Cliff Richard with you...
Tell me what you think
Joe90
You have to drink the blood of a virgin Real Music Company customer in order to be initiated into the inner sanctum.
Oh, and remember to take your 180gram vinyl copy of Richard Clayderman sings Cliff Richard with you...
Tell me what you think
Joe90
Posted on: 07 April 2004 by Rico
Demons on the door, ensuring you don't pull a gandalf the white and smuggle in a copy of London Calling - guarenteed to destroy the whole system like a stake or clove of garlic.
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio