Placement order on fraim

I don't know how much of a power supply the DIVA has in it. If it is relatively quiet you could consider putting the XPS on the rack with the other big trannies like so

XPS
Supercap
250

Then

CDSII
82
DIVA

BTW the CDP traditionally goes on the top shelf BUT I found on my Fraim that I prefer my CDX2 one shelf down with my 282 on the top.

I do believe the CD sounds a bit more "edgy" in the upper frequencies on the top shelf. Of course that is also about speakers etc. So it is worth experimenting.

On that basis though it is nice to be neat and tie up all the loose cable it is worth leaving enough freedom so each piece of kit can be lifted off and put on the floor without having to power down. Then it is easy to swap it around. That is one of the great things about Fraim. Once you have it all assembled and levelled, as long as you don't move the very bottom shelf on the floor you can lift off & replace it all again in a few minutes.

Hope you are using the famous Martin Payne instructions which are published here:
http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=67019385&f=48019385&m=8491910386&p=1


regards
GEOFF

Sorry did'nt read properly. I see my comment about instructions was redundant.

GEOFF

Hi Martin

What is an AVDI DIVA?

If it has a ferrous case, don't put it near the Naim kit. Anything with a steel case will screw up the sound.

XPS below 82 is not good. Rack 2 looks OK apart from the unknown item.

Mmm If the Avid is a tt then you are between a rock & hard place. The usual rule is brain on one - brawn on the other.

That suggests TT/CD/Pre on one, but puts the pre either on the middle or bottom shelf...

dunno if that compromise is worthwhile or not...
nontheless i would not put an xps2 under either the cd or pre - is there any funds to buy another shelf?? Thats what i had to do...

andy c!

Hi Geoff/J.N.,

I am still working on the base unit, trying to follow Martin P.'s instruction, the ket is to keep the cup/rod/washer away from the wood shelves. I have 2 questions.

1. The 2nd nut on the bottom shelf, I suppose it should be the same side on top, but should they also be finger tight and use the spanner for a bit more? so it won't necessary be even withthe first nut.

2. when I try to level the bottom shelf, (I am using the mana spirit level), the left front floor spike is a bit loose in order to be levelled. It's abit wobbly, I think it's not right, what should I do?

Geoff, if you do not mind, can I send you a private topic when I am doing it?

Hi J.N.

DIVA is the turntable, so it has to go on top.
So I do not have choice, but either leave the XPS or Supercap on the bottom shelf with CDSII and NAC82.

cheers
Martin

Martin
No probloem on the PT. Send away!

QUOTE]1. The 2nd nut on the bottom shelf, I suppose it should be the same side on top, but should they also be finger tight and use the spanner for a bit more? so it won't necessary be even with the first nut.
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Screw the rod in as far as it will go finger tight. Put the washer & first nut on and screw it up finger tight and then a just little tighter using the Naim spanner, whilst holding the rod and bush central and free of the sides of the hole in the wood. Screw the 2nd nut on and just spin it up against the first nut.Don't tighten it since you may have to move it (see 2 below).

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2. when I try to level the bottom shelf, (I am using the mana spirit level), the left front floor spike is a bit loose in order to be levelled. It's abit wobbly, I think it's not right, what should I do?

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Basically the 2nd nut is a locking nut to stop the spike from being loose. Put all spikes on and turn them up agaisnt the 2nd nuts finger tight, then to level use the bar to rotate the spike(or spikes) down. Try to keep two of them as is and just tweak one downwards as necessary to get the shelf level both side to side and front to back.
When you have it level hold each spike in turn with the bar thru'it and wind the 2nd nut back down the rod until it is finget tight against the top of the spike, then using the naim spanner again, tightem the nut just a bit more. If you do this for each spike you should end up with them nicely "locked" in position and a level shelf.

BTW are you doing it on carpet, wood or stone?

Anyway hope this helps. Send me a PT.

regards
GEOFF

Martin

I know you are going to hate this as an idea but you could change to a two shelf set and a 4 shelf set and keep the CDSII and the 82 by themselves that way, but it will look weird and you will get back pain loading CD's. I expect that will NOT fly in the domestic stakes either.

just a thought

regards
GEOFF

Thanks Geoff,

That is exactly what I need to know. So the purpose of the 2nd nut is to lock up the floor spike, that explains it.

According to Martin P's tip, nut without letter side should go forward to the washers. So do the 2nd nuts.

What about the pin for the base unit? I don't think I need to use it? The official instruction is very brief, too breif in my opinion.

If I have anymore problem I will send you a PT.

About getting a higher shelf, my missus would not be happy, as obviously the cosmetic reason. If I have to choose between putting the XPS or supercap under the CDSII & NAC82, which one should it be.

cheers
Martin

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About getting a higher shelf, my missus would not be happy, as obviously the cosmetic reason. If I have to choose between putting the XPS or supercap under the CDSII & NAC82, which one should it be.

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Both positions will degrade the sound of the CDP and Pre( thus degrading the CDP too)depending on which one is closer. This will IMHO negate the benefits of spending thousands on Fraim in the first place. I feel you will need to seriously consider this.

Yours in Music

Syd

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According to Martin P's tip, nut without letter side should go forward to the washers. So do the 2nd nuts.

What about the pin for the base unit? I don't think I need to use it? The official instruction is very brief, too breif in my opinion.

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Treat both nuts as per martin's orientation.
On the pin you only need to put one in the shelves which you will put ball bearings and glass on. The idea is to start out by pushing the glass shelves back against the pins once centered on the ballbearings, so you can move kit around better without the glass falling off the front ball bearings (be carefull of side to side movement whilst manouvering the heavy kit).
Once you have it all lined up and in place you pull the shelves forward until they are free of the pins (lined up with the front edge of shelves works for me, but watch the position on the ballbearings and keep it safe).

BTW. Do you have kids etc. If so the self adhesive plastic cups should be applied to the undersides of the shelves where the ball bearings sit to reduce the risk of shelves being pushed around too easily by enquiring minds. If no kids you can leave these off since they add nothing to the sound.

Syd is right about absolute best setup but I have a single rack with top to bottom

282
CDX2
EMPTY (will have to be where the XPS2 goes)
SC
250mkII

It sounds bloody great at the moment but when the XPS2 comes we will see.

BTW before anybody tells me to swap the CDX2 & 282. I had them the other way round but found by trial and error that for my system it all sounds a fraction better with them the way they are now. In the end trial & error will find the best stack for you.

regards
GEOFF

"Just got the fraim yesterday, I am just about to start to assemble them"

Another poor unfortunate sod like myself who had to learn the hard way without any dealer support

Hi Geoff,

I have finished the base, thanks for your advice, after dinner and a bit of Juventus Vs AC Milan, still watching it. About to put the glass, accordin gto Martin P., I should tap the glass to see which side to go on top.
I have a 4 years old, she is very good and never touch my hi-fi. Just in case, I got the wrong side of the glass, I think I will leave the glass locators.

The next base unit should be much much quicker!

Geoff, if I need help, I know where to turn to.

Hi Bosh,

I thought that what naimees thought it's fun, to be honest, not for me, it's an experience!

cheers
Martin

Martin & Bosh.

When I bought my Fraim I was informed that I would find the experience of putting it all together "Theraputic". Theraputic my ass!!

BUT and this is the big thing, unless you put it together yurself and do it with loving care and attention to detail you will never be convinced that it is at it's best.

Imagine the guy from the shop turns up and slaps it all together in about 15 minutes. If you have read Martin P's instructions are you going to sit there and not be forced to take it apart and put it back together "right" anyway?

GEOFF

Ahh but its ooo theraputic, and even tho u think you have put it together correectly there is always that nagging doubt.

re the shelf issue, how about swapping 2 standard shelves for two tall shelves?
put the xps2 on the bottom of one etc and you create the gaps etc...

only a thought...

Andy

I have confidence in my ability to put fraim together peoperly.

I THINK!!!

Oh shit now you've done it

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Oh shit now you've done it

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Why? are you not confident??
Do you feel you have missed something???
LOL

I know I have but it can wait - I forgot to centre the metal thingys in the wooden shelf - but it can wait until she who must be obeyed decrees a clean is needed.....

NAAAAAH!!

I was just joshing with you Andy.

NB

Thanks for your encouragement. I did the sitting crosslegged surrounded by nicely machined bolts & bushes thing about 3 months ago. Since it sounds so good I have not touched the fraim since then and don't intend to.

Leave well alone I say.

regards
GEOFF

Gepff P

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Leave well alone I say.

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I agree - and bearing in mind what I'm hearing at the moment out of my system I'm well happy ta!

I knew u was winding me up - u recommended the 'MP' method to me anyway LOL

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Hi guy,

I was working hard to assemble the fraim last night, well until 3AM!!! So dealer came to install the turntable, how exciting!

Then we encounter an major problem, the surface of the fraim glass is too small for AVID DIVA?? Major disappointment! I even take a day off tomorrow to enjoy the vinyls collection. DIVA loo much smaller on the picture, I am not sure whether fraim is smaller than normal rack or AVID make larger turntable than the others. So I don't know what to do now Any advices at all?
Anyone from naim? I am sure Naim do consider naimees have turntable.

By the way, only have the chance to listen to the system on Fraim, it's fantastic! The soundstage and the music is really flowing. Improvement is certainly well exceed from Hi-cap to Supercap, no question about that!

Cheers
Martin

MArtin,

I am sure you can get a bigger glass for your turntable if you use a similar specification of glass.

regards

Dev

Hi Dev,

You meant from naim or from a glass shop? My dealer also suggested that, but whether a glass shop can made the matched glass shelf as naim's, if it's not matched, it's not very nice, is it? Especially to spend almost 2.5K for it

Can someone from naim advised that whether I can swop for a bigger glass for the turntable? Now one shelf is wasted!

cheers
Martin