What type of bike
Posted by: Mick P on 15 March 2004
Chaps
I am only a couple of weeks away from retirement and as such will need a mode of transport. I am trying to avoid buying a second car and would like to buy a bike to do relatively short journeys of say up to 5 or 6 miles. Mainly as an aid to returning my body to its previous Greek God proportions.
I will be going to the gym between 8.00am and 10.00am most weekday mornings and a bike would be a good way of getting there.
Swindon has a good cycle path infrstructure and I have no interest in cyling up mountains or mud tracks. It there is no tarmac, I shall not go, so to speak.
So what sort of machine should I be looking at and is it better to buy from a national chain such as Halfords, a local chap or via the net.
Many thanks
Lycra clad Mick
I am only a couple of weeks away from retirement and as such will need a mode of transport. I am trying to avoid buying a second car and would like to buy a bike to do relatively short journeys of say up to 5 or 6 miles. Mainly as an aid to returning my body to its previous Greek God proportions.
I will be going to the gym between 8.00am and 10.00am most weekday mornings and a bike would be a good way of getting there.
Swindon has a good cycle path infrstructure and I have no interest in cyling up mountains or mud tracks. It there is no tarmac, I shall not go, so to speak.
So what sort of machine should I be looking at and is it better to buy from a national chain such as Halfords, a local chap or via the net.
Many thanks
Lycra clad Mick
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by Rasher
Good on you Mick.
As with HiFi, go to a smallish shop with personal service. New bikes need to be tampered with as the cables initially stretch, and the fitting of the bike / frame size etc, is critical. I have a Scott, but tried Gary Fisher too. The Gary Fisher had a main post at a different angle, which placed most of the weight fairly far back, increasing uphill power, but I didn't like the handling. Point being that there is more to getting the choice right than just the spec of the equipment.
Personal service shop then, not Halfords.
As with HiFi, go to a smallish shop with personal service. New bikes need to be tampered with as the cables initially stretch, and the fitting of the bike / frame size etc, is critical. I have a Scott, but tried Gary Fisher too. The Gary Fisher had a main post at a different angle, which placed most of the weight fairly far back, increasing uphill power, but I didn't like the handling. Point being that there is more to getting the choice right than just the spec of the equipment.
Personal service shop then, not Halfords.
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by matthewr
Mick,
I see you as a North Shore sort of guy so you probably want one of these:
Alternatively find your friendly local independent bike shop and buy something cheap, sensible and robust. Buy second-hand if you can -- you'll get much better value.
Matthew
I see you as a North Shore sort of guy so you probably want one of these:
Alternatively find your friendly local independent bike shop and buy something cheap, sensible and robust. Buy second-hand if you can -- you'll get much better value.
Matthew
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by Mick P
I would prefer the bike to have mudgards at least.
What do you think of Pashleys.
Regards
Mick
What do you think of Pashleys.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by Rasher
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Posted on: 15 March 2004 by matthewr
"What do you think of Pashleys"
Don;t they make Postie bikes? If they do and, presumably, you buy 5,000 a year then I guess you could get a serious discount.
Matthew
EDIT: Indeed they do
They also make this:
You could be poured into the front bit after your gym session and get Mrs Mick to cycle you home.
Don;t they make Postie bikes? If they do and, presumably, you buy 5,000 a year then I guess you could get a serious discount.
Matthew
EDIT: Indeed they do
They also make this:
You could be poured into the front bit after your gym session and get Mrs Mick to cycle you home.
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by Rockingdoc
Mr Parry
Perhaps it is presumptious of me to think I know your tastes, but I am sure you would be most satisfied by a New Series Moulton, built for you by the Alex Moulton factory.
When I attempted to order one of these from a shop, I was politely invited to the factory for the day to discuss my needs.
They have a friendly owners club.
They are, of course, expensive.
Perhaps it is presumptious of me to think I know your tastes, but I am sure you would be most satisfied by a New Series Moulton, built for you by the Alex Moulton factory.
When I attempted to order one of these from a shop, I was politely invited to the factory for the day to discuss my needs.
They have a friendly owners club.
They are, of course, expensive.
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by John G.
Hi Mick,
The Gary Fisher website matchmaker section is good for sorting out the right type of bike for your needs. Most bikes can be fitted with rear fenders if you need such a thing.
http://www.fisherbikes.com/matchmaker/
Cheer,
John
The Gary Fisher website matchmaker section is good for sorting out the right type of bike for your needs. Most bikes can be fitted with rear fenders if you need such a thing.
http://www.fisherbikes.com/matchmaker/
Cheer,
John
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by David Stewart
Mick,
If it's your first bike, I'd advise not spending much money cos it'll probably get nicked anyway. You should be able to pick up a reasonable bike for a couple of hundred or so which will meet your needs to start with (even less of course second-hand). Something with stabilisers might be useful for the first couple of weeks or so
Other than that, buy one with suspension to protect the Parry bottom from the damaging effects of badly maintained roads.
David
If it's your first bike, I'd advise not spending much money cos it'll probably get nicked anyway. You should be able to pick up a reasonable bike for a couple of hundred or so which will meet your needs to start with (even less of course second-hand). Something with stabilisers might be useful for the first couple of weeks or so
Other than that, buy one with suspension to protect the Parry bottom from the damaging effects of badly maintained roads.
David
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by syd
quote:
Originally posted by alexgerrard:
_A serious question_
Mr Parry, sir
You are by your own admission remaining on the tarmac. Why would you need mudguards?
ag
I would imagine on wet days(we get a lot of them in Britain) it would stop spray from giving you a severely wet Arse.
Yours in Music
Syd
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by matthewr
"Why would you need mudguards?"
Becuase if you don't you get a stripe of watery diesel up the back of your uber expensive Goretex cycling jacket.
Mine looks like this and fixes to the seat post rather than the frame:
Matthew
Becuase if you don't you get a stripe of watery diesel up the back of your uber expensive Goretex cycling jacket.
Mine looks like this and fixes to the seat post rather than the frame:
Matthew
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by Rockingdoc
Take my word for it, you want the Moulton; Suspension, mudguards, luggage capability, very light,folding option (so it won't "get nicked"), and most importantly; class. You won't see any horrible yoofs on these.
If funds are a problem, Pashley make a cheap version under licence.
If funds are a problem, Pashley make a cheap version under licence.
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by quincy
Mick
Several years ago Mr Tibbs and myself bought two bikes. I did the research over the net and Mr T did legwork around the cycle shops and independently we chose exactly the same bike. The Dawes 501 Discovery. This is a hybrid bike - somewhere between a road bike and an offroader - you can't go wrong with it.
quincy
Several years ago Mr Tibbs and myself bought two bikes. I did the research over the net and Mr T did legwork around the cycle shops and independently we chose exactly the same bike. The Dawes 501 Discovery. This is a hybrid bike - somewhere between a road bike and an offroader - you can't go wrong with it.
quincy
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by ErikL
Mick,
Since you'll only be riding on tarmac, I recommend something like John Gilleran's bike posted in the "Mountain Bike Poll" thread. Your position on the bike will be upright and comfortable, like a mountain bike, but the ride will be more responsive, like a road bike. Tell the shop that you want a "hybrid" bike- upright position, moderately treaded somewhat skinny tires (25c?), and lighter components. At the pricier end you will have the option of a front suspension fork to soak up bumps. Also consider whether, as a beginner, pedals requiring special shoes (clipless) intimidate you. Last, make sure the bike has a seat you find comfortable. Also invest in a water bottle and cage for your post workout energy drink, and emergency kit in case of a blown tube- mini pump, tire levers, spare tube, and a little bag under the seat to carry it.
FWIW, Trek makes some very well made hybrids for the money.
As others have said, the most important thing is visiting a knowledgeable shop and test riding a variety of bikes until you're comfortable with one.
Since you'll only be riding on tarmac, I recommend something like John Gilleran's bike posted in the "Mountain Bike Poll" thread. Your position on the bike will be upright and comfortable, like a mountain bike, but the ride will be more responsive, like a road bike. Tell the shop that you want a "hybrid" bike- upright position, moderately treaded somewhat skinny tires (25c?), and lighter components. At the pricier end you will have the option of a front suspension fork to soak up bumps. Also consider whether, as a beginner, pedals requiring special shoes (clipless) intimidate you. Last, make sure the bike has a seat you find comfortable. Also invest in a water bottle and cage for your post workout energy drink, and emergency kit in case of a blown tube- mini pump, tire levers, spare tube, and a little bag under the seat to carry it.
FWIW, Trek makes some very well made hybrids for the money.
As others have said, the most important thing is visiting a knowledgeable shop and test riding a variety of bikes until you're comfortable with one.
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by oldie
Mick, on a common BIKEI don't believe it,which lacky is going to have to do the peddling And in LYCRA too, my poor old mind boggles, could the folks of Swindon stand the shock Retire gracfully you old sod like the rest of us or how about wheels on a zimmer?????? just a thought!!
an inert oldie.
an inert oldie.
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by Mick P
I have just returned from a formal dinner and I have drunk a bit too much so I shall digest all this tomorrow.
Regards
Mick
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 15 March 2004 by blythe
If you're about to retire, you might be of an age that you had one of these in your teens.
How about re-kindling your glory years?
Computers are supposed to work on 1's and 0's - in other words "Yes" or "No" - why does mine frequently say "Maybe"?......
How about re-kindling your glory years?
Computers are supposed to work on 1's and 0's - in other words "Yes" or "No" - why does mine frequently say "Maybe"?......
Posted on: 16 March 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
So what sort of machine should I be looking at
Sounds like you'd be best with a flat barred road bike, either road bike based (with 700c wheels) or mountain bike based (with 26" wheels).
Something like the Specialized Crossroads, Giant FCR or Marin Muirwoods would suit.
It doesn't matter too much for flat cycle paths but light bikes are better. Most of the really cheap bikes will be really heavy but from £300 up you should get something around 27-28lbs which should be fine.
quote:
and is it better to buy from a national chain such as Halfords, a local chap or via the net.
Some Halfords are fine, some are awful - same goes for local shops so try to find somewhere that stocks a good range of bikes, pays attention to sizing (which is very important) and gives you some confidence that they know what they are talking about.
Regards
Steve
Posted on: 16 March 2004 by matthewr
"Something like the Specialized Crossroads, Giant FCR or Marin Muirwoods would suit"
I agree. Especially as I might have a Marin Muirwoods for sale in a month or so.
It looks like this:
But has VP DX-a-like platform pedals and Bontrager Race Lite wheelset (with very cool 27/28 straight-laced black spokes) and Contiental Avenue 1" Semi-Slicks.
It's under-sized for me so would probably fit Mick as well.
Matthew
I agree. Especially as I might have a Marin Muirwoods for sale in a month or so.
It looks like this:
But has VP DX-a-like platform pedals and Bontrager Race Lite wheelset (with very cool 27/28 straight-laced black spokes) and Contiental Avenue 1" Semi-Slicks.
It's under-sized for me so would probably fit Mick as well.
Matthew
Posted on: 16 March 2004 by Mick P
I am not a speed merchant so I am looking for a solid build rather than flashy good looks and gimmiks etc.
Are these dureallier gears any good or is the old sturmey archer hub type better.
Also I notice Pashley do a 28" wheel, so are large wheels better than small ones.
I notice none of the bicycles recommended so far have a shopping basket which is something that I would find useful.
Regards
Mick
Are these dureallier gears any good or is the old sturmey archer hub type better.
Also I notice Pashley do a 28" wheel, so are large wheels better than small ones.
I notice none of the bicycles recommended so far have a shopping basket which is something that I would find useful.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 16 March 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
I am not a speed merchant so I am looking for a solid build rather than flashy good looks and gimmiks etc.
None of these bikes could be regarded as flashy or gimmiky and all should be very solid and reliable as they are all from well regarded manufacturers.
quote:
Are these dureallier gears any good or is the old sturmey archer hub type better.
Sturmley Archers were ok in their time (30 years ago!) but deraillers offer a wide range of gears and are generally reliable. I had a 21 speed MTB for a few years and despite being used off-road the gears rarely needed fettling.
quote:
Also I notice Pashley do a 28" wheel, so are large wheels better than small ones.
For your purposes it'll make very little difference.
quote:
I notice none of the bicycles recommended so far have a shopping basket which is something that I would find useful.
Now you're just having a laugh!
Try a rear rack and rack pack and/or a bar-bag for luggage.
Regards
Steve
Posted on: 16 March 2004 by domfjbrown
Indeed - cycle baskets are pants. Paniers at a push, but cycle baskets are totally ghey.
I've got a Specialized Hardrock HR - it's kind of sold as a downhill sprint bike (I believe) but I use it on-road and it's a nice upright position. Front suspension (which I always thought was gimmicky) but it works a treat on Exeter's pee-poor Topsham Road - and you can still "feel" what the road's doing, as the forks are adjustable. I'm a bit annoyed though as the bottom bracket's already wearing after only 291 miles, but then I do rag the living hell out of it - it's always fun overtaking rush hour traffic downhill - clocked up 35 mph on it at one point...
This is the latest version - mine's the 02/03 model which looks similar but more like a racer - the crossbar is horizontal. Oh - it also has a minor scratch (ex-dem) which shaved about £100 off the price - always worthwhile when only the largest frame'll fit you!
The new Choppers don't have the cool gear shift btw - get an old 1970s one if you want one (I do!). Spokey dokeys'd be cool too - I was SERIOUSLY considering trading the Specialized for one until Richards Bikes told me they weren't getting any in - boo hoo!
__________________________
Make your choice, adventurous Stranger;
Strike the bell and bide the danger
Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
What would have followed if you had.
[This message was edited by domfjbrown on Tue 16 March 2004 at 15:12.]
I've got a Specialized Hardrock HR - it's kind of sold as a downhill sprint bike (I believe) but I use it on-road and it's a nice upright position. Front suspension (which I always thought was gimmicky) but it works a treat on Exeter's pee-poor Topsham Road - and you can still "feel" what the road's doing, as the forks are adjustable. I'm a bit annoyed though as the bottom bracket's already wearing after only 291 miles, but then I do rag the living hell out of it - it's always fun overtaking rush hour traffic downhill - clocked up 35 mph on it at one point...
This is the latest version - mine's the 02/03 model which looks similar but more like a racer - the crossbar is horizontal. Oh - it also has a minor scratch (ex-dem) which shaved about £100 off the price - always worthwhile when only the largest frame'll fit you!
The new Choppers don't have the cool gear shift btw - get an old 1970s one if you want one (I do!). Spokey dokeys'd be cool too - I was SERIOUSLY considering trading the Specialized for one until Richards Bikes told me they weren't getting any in - boo hoo!
__________________________
Make your choice, adventurous Stranger;
Strike the bell and bide the danger
Or wonder, till it drives you mad,
What would have followed if you had.
[This message was edited by domfjbrown on Tue 16 March 2004 at 15:12.]
Posted on: 16 March 2004 by Clay Bingham
Mick
I've been following the forum for a couple of years now. I started about the time Nuno Baptista was making his CD-5 selection.Over time I have noted that you and I are about the same age and have a couple of the same interests. I joined the forum yesteday so that I could offer you a little bit of a different take on the selection of a bicycle. I'm going to recommend that you give a look to www.rivendellbicycles.com. Rivendell offers both custom and semi-custom bikes in the English and French touring bike tradition. Think Mercian, Hetchins, Rene Hearse, and Singer. The bikes are steel with lugged frames. They recommned Brooks leather saddles. The frames are comfortable, stable, long lived, and can be repaired if necessary. If nothing else, the site is a wonderful source of information on frame sizing and equipment. The company is Ameican so your pound sterling should go a long way.I hope you enjoy it.
Regards
Clay
I've been following the forum for a couple of years now. I started about the time Nuno Baptista was making his CD-5 selection.Over time I have noted that you and I are about the same age and have a couple of the same interests. I joined the forum yesteday so that I could offer you a little bit of a different take on the selection of a bicycle. I'm going to recommend that you give a look to www.rivendellbicycles.com. Rivendell offers both custom and semi-custom bikes in the English and French touring bike tradition. Think Mercian, Hetchins, Rene Hearse, and Singer. The bikes are steel with lugged frames. They recommned Brooks leather saddles. The frames are comfortable, stable, long lived, and can be repaired if necessary. If nothing else, the site is a wonderful source of information on frame sizing and equipment. The company is Ameican so your pound sterling should go a long way.I hope you enjoy it.
Regards
Clay
Posted on: 16 March 2004 by Mick P
Graham
I was not having a laugh, a basket or pannier would be very useful. Basically I am not after speed but something very durable to travel from A to B no more than say 5 or 6 miles apart.
Clay
Thank you for the reply, it was very considerate of you.
I am looking for a bike where you tend to sit upright, so as to avoid backache and something which is built to last.
I shall have a good look at the site you suggested.
Regards
Mick
I was not having a laugh, a basket or pannier would be very useful. Basically I am not after speed but something very durable to travel from A to B no more than say 5 or 6 miles apart.
Clay
Thank you for the reply, it was very considerate of you.
I am looking for a bike where you tend to sit upright, so as to avoid backache and something which is built to last.
I shall have a good look at the site you suggested.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 16 March 2004 by ErikL
Mick,
IIRC you are a Honda guy because they make quality cars at a decent price. Many people consider Trek to be the Honda of bikes- not flashy but well-engineered and solidly built. On most of their bikes, the stem, handlebar, wheels, seat, and seatpost are also designed by them but branded Bontrager (a company they bought).
When shopping, compare warranties on the frames, paint jobs (protective clear coat? powder coat? or just a bare coat of ordinary paint?), and perceived integrity of structural components (seatpost, handlebar, stem- do they look like Chinese $1 items?).
Whatever you buy of whatever make, buy it from a shop that employs an experienced staff that will build your bike carefully and who will offer a few tips. The care with which a shop builds and tunes your bike before you head out the door will have a significant impact on your enjoyment and satisfaction.
Good god I sound like a marketing person. Oh, wait...
IIRC you are a Honda guy because they make quality cars at a decent price. Many people consider Trek to be the Honda of bikes- not flashy but well-engineered and solidly built. On most of their bikes, the stem, handlebar, wheels, seat, and seatpost are also designed by them but branded Bontrager (a company they bought).
When shopping, compare warranties on the frames, paint jobs (protective clear coat? powder coat? or just a bare coat of ordinary paint?), and perceived integrity of structural components (seatpost, handlebar, stem- do they look like Chinese $1 items?).
Whatever you buy of whatever make, buy it from a shop that employs an experienced staff that will build your bike carefully and who will offer a few tips. The care with which a shop builds and tunes your bike before you head out the door will have a significant impact on your enjoyment and satisfaction.
Good god I sound like a marketing person. Oh, wait...
Posted on: 16 March 2004 by Rasher
Clay comes on here, signs up just to make a contribution for Mick.
What a wonderful gesture.
Nice one Clay
What a wonderful gesture.
Nice one Clay