Naim demo a problem...

Also Garyi, by your own admission you said your amp sounded "like crap" out of the box, then got better in a half hour or so, why is it that you seem to get to put the absolute time on how long an amp needs to warm up, you say about an hour, like I said my 250 sounded no good after an hour,5, and even the next day, how does that get explained?

Ben all we have to go on is what people like you say.

So you tell me how it is to be explained?

Science certainly can't.

Its resonable to expect the caps etc in an amp to get warm, I guess this takes round half an hour.

Its very easy for naim or any other manfacturer to state five weeks, that way any niggling doubts you have are dispelled, because its 'burning in' innit.

It would not be in naims interests to say 'this unit will take about an hour to come on song, if after that time it dosn't sound good, you ballsed up!'

I was told that the chemical composition of the paste in the caps changed as the caps "burned in" and that explained the subtle change in performance

Derek

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The funny thing is I have heard amps that the manufacturer says weeks to fully warm up and I heard no difference,so I cant explain it,but how can a 40 watt amp sound louder and better than a 70 watt amp, they can and do, it depends on the design and power supply etc. There was a time when more had to be better,products like the nad 3020 amp changed that...so do I accept that just about anything is possible including 4-6 weeks of running in to get the best sound, yes i do...A) because i have heard it and B) because like I said anything is possible, also could all these people who hear differences be just dreaming them ?? I know i am not.....another thought... its kind of the reason i use both tube and solid state vs one or the other..I like them both and tubes do different things to the sound...which I like, maybe not all the time,but it is why I have both and use both quite a bit

Hey all

I skipped about three pages here of the thread but I would like to post an opinion.

I think Naim sounds great after about an hour's warm-up, and gets even better after an indeterminate length of time depending on the device. I'm reliably told that SL2s do sound better after a long run in.

BUT....did they sound CRAP out of the box???

HELL NO!!!!!!

I think what happens is Naim goed from GREAT to utterly awesome.
I completely disagree that it can be total bollocks one minute then somehow magically transforms into great after a couple of weeks.

I've heard gear from well-known brands fresh out of the box and thought, "that's rot" and come back after an hour and thought "that's still rot" and revisited them weeks later and still thought that they were bollocks.

a good sound will get better but shite is still shite, even if it's warmed up and all squishy.

i'm with Garyi from Watford (mostly) on this one.

joe90

I have gone from a Pioneer pds901,72/140.To a CDX/XPS,202/200/napsc/hi-cap,with NO dem,i just know thats its better,my ears told me!


Mark

My rule of thumb on running in:

Most gear should have a general disposition in tact even right out of the box and after few days of running in 80% of the performance is there. Or at least they would give me they are on the right direction or not. If I didin't care for the sound of a kit at this point, no amount of running in would do me any good. This is pretty much has been the case on all the gear I have had in the past except one. Wilson speakers. They sound absolutely shite right out of the box and stay that way for a quite a long time.

Any improvements afterwards is icing on the cake.

Brain 'sees' something new and different as good quite often even it's not on a longer listening.

So far, Naim equipments have been pretty much on par with any other gear I have dealt with.