Ken Livingstone

Posted by: MichaelC on 16 February 2005

Listening to the radio on the way into the office this morning and it is reported that Livingstone will not apologise for his (concentration camp) comments about the reporter at the Evening Standard (?). Is Livingstone fit to be Mayor of London? And should he be removed from office (?).

Discuss.

Mike
Posted on: 22 February 2005 by J.N.
Isn't the essence of this matter, that the allegedly offensive phrase uttered by KL was a general term of derision, with the implication that the person who had angered KL, was simply displaying poor standards of moral and ethical behaviour?

Who could possibly be offended but a concentration camp guard? (a journalist scraping the barrel perhaps?)

I'm sure that KL is a man of good principles, and not a racist.

PC nonsense.

John.
Posted on: 22 February 2005 by Berlin Fritz
One of Germany's most successful long term tv comedey series (since the 70's) revolves
around a working class family with pretty young daughter, yobbish boyfriend, long
suffering hard working mother, and brilliantly opiniated bigoted father called Alfred,
ring any bells ? and yes, it is inspired by an idea by the Great Johnnie Spaight, inventor
of our own beloved Alfred. I feel the early episodes of !Till Death us do Part" should not
be screened anymore on 'mainstream TV', and the subsequent series that he made were toned
down for those times if you recall ? It's difficult to compare different comedy acts with each
other, as is with muisic, literature, and art,innit, and the taste and 'understanding'
factor are important too. Benny Hill was in my opinion the most successful TV comedian
the world has ever known, and has been/and still is shown in scores of countries, his
internationalism (like Our Mick), tolerance, intelligent euligies, etc, etc. Other
British acts mentioned ' Dick Emery, etc' are pure fun, and don't go much deeper I feel,
(unless you of course want them to in your imagination ?) Jim Bowen is/was a self
righteous 'unfunny' opiniated, agressive bullshitter who had no sense of fun when the
roles were reversed; therefore im my umble opine, losing the plot of the basic rule
in all comedy (irrespective at which level, including politics naturally) in that if
you can't take a joke yourself (and I mean sincere, not arbitary chinless, "well yes
I'm a tosser too", so that's allright then, I'm one of the boys, or "How can I be a
racist I've got a black wife, or sexist, as they're so many Women in my Cabinet, Christ
I've even got Jocks in there too ?")
It's basically to do with, 'as affects most of our
lives if we're open-eyed enough ?', what the people around us have for motives, wether
they are true and sincere or not, and wether we can deduce that either through instinct,
experience. or wether we ourselves are sincere in fact too ? Actaully being aware of this
fact can change one's life for the good, as well as naturally helping those younger, less
experienced, or more importantly; weaker than us in our respective societies (Worldwide).
Tolerance & 'fair' Humour are in my opinion a great sign of a healthy society, and we all
benefit eventually in the long term, anybody who's been in a cinema full of laughing kids
knows that what I say is true, innit.



I'm afraid I just couldn't resist sharing this little gem with you all:


Listeners to Kelvin MacKenzie's TalkSport radio station are often treated to the
stern law'n'order views of presenter Mike Parry. Last week he was at it again,
demanding punishment of the utmost severity for footballers who bahave jobbishly
on the pitch. Parry is well qualified to take a hard line on loutish conduct. In
1989, as news editor of the Daily Express, he had to be pulled apart from the
Daily Star's deputy news editor Paul Smith, when a 'Farewell to the Black Lubyanka"
party ended in fisticuffs.
The following year he managed to get arrested by Italian
police while attending the world cup, following a tired-and-emotional fracas with
a sports hack. After being denounced by Parry as "scumbags", the carabinieri also
consficated his passport.
On a freebie trip to Moscow a couple of years later, Parry
almost came to blows with Richard Littlejohn and several other hacks when they
accused him of filing a bogus story. And in May 1996, at the football writers
'annual dinner in London, he drunkenly invited Sunday Times sportswriter Joe
Lovejoy to 'step outside'. Lovejoy duly did so - and within seconds Parry was on
his back, nursing a bloody lip. How fortunate for Parry that his previous
employers - who include the Sun and the Football Association - didn't take the
zero-tolerance attitude to thuggery now advocated by TalkSports's outspoken
presenter!

Private Eye Magazine (Steam Powered Hand held version) issue 1126 (Feb/March 2005)

Thank You Lord Gnome, You just couldn't have made that up, innit.

Fritz Von I'm looking forward to some serious €uropean football tonight, beer's
in the fridge, food's ready to be cooked. Although a Hammer's man myself, I was
born in The Royal Free Hospital (Islington) when Parry's generation ensured a
healthy NHS, and Arsenal is the local team, of who'm I'll support tonight big-
style cos being a Berliner, I/We take exception to anything in the direction of
Bavaria (Sportingly naturally):

N.B. Trusting of course that non of the above hacks were 'friends' of our Mat ?
who knows they'll be conducting same sex marriages on the Simpson's next ? Razz

Pish: How do you like Fritz's new style paragraphing then ? Big Grin
Posted on: 22 February 2005 by 7V
quote:
Originally posted by Malky:
I can't help but agree, however, with his points about the Mail's history of supporting fascism and the recent reports/editorials of both the Mail and Standard in relation to immigration which have
done little to foster positive racial relations.

Livingstone's criticism of Associated Press and the Evening Standard would carry more weight if he hadn't pocketed £33,000 from the paper for restaurant reviews that he wrote between 1998 and 2000 (not to mention the free meals).

Presumably cuddly Ken doesn't object to newspapers with a 'record for supporting fascism' if they're feeding him. The word 'hypocrite' comes to mind.

Regards
Steve M

Livingstone pocketed £33K from Standard
Posted on: 22 February 2005 by Malky
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 7V:
The word 'hypocrite' comes to mind. ___________________________________________

No problem with Livingstone being described as a hypocrite His craven desire to be readmitted to the Labour party already earned him that sobriquet (not sure about 'cuddly' though).
As much as I'm not an advocate, I can stomach Ken being hypocritcal re: a few meals than I can the 'keen on fascism' Mail kicking up a fuss about anti-semitism.
Posted on: 22 February 2005 by Berlin Fritz
Hypocrasy & press abuse when it suits you is par for the course in such territory, it always has been, please remind yourselves once again that he, like alisdaire was also a vulture once too.



Fritz Von I think it's most important to screw all you can get before retirement, innit Big Grin irrespective of who you are, and what party you 'represent' !!! Roll Eyes
Posted on: 24 February 2005 by Berlin Fritz
The subject was raised by a Conservative MP yesterday at question time, answered by the PM
with his usual slickness.


Fritz Von Opportunism abounds innit Big Grin
Posted on: 24 February 2005 by 7V
I thought that it was a very strange statement by the PM.

I'm not one of those who believes that anyone who expresses opinions against the actions of the State of Israel is necessarily anti-semitic. Why then should Blair respond to an issue of alleged anti-semitism by stating that the government is a friend of Israel?

Regards
Steve M
Posted on: 24 February 2005 by Malky
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 7V:
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I'm not one of those who believes that anyone who expresses opinions against the actions of the State of Israel is necessarily anti-semitic. Why then should Blair respond to an issue of alleged anti-semitism by stating that the government is a friend of Israel?
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By equating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism allows him to argue for the necessity of the existence of Israel as a Jewish homeland. Ironic, as more Jews live in New York than Israel.
Of course, I would never be so cynical as to suggest that Israel exists to protect the regional oil interests of his chum, Dubya.
Posted on: 24 February 2005 by 7V
quote:
Originally posted by Malky:
By equating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism allows him to argue for the necessity of the existence of Israel as a Jewish homeland. Ironic, as more Jews live in New York than Israel.

He doesn't have to argue for the existence of the State of Israel. It has existed since 1948 and will continue to do so. It's existence is not on the agenda. What most of us would like to see is a free and independent State of Palestine alongside it and peace between the two.

Blair mentioned the government's support for Israel as a sop for those Jews worried about anti-semitism. I just believe that he was mistaken to link the two. It should be enough to condemn anti-semitism along with all forms of racism.

Regards
Steve M
Posted on: 24 February 2005 by Malky
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 7V:
What most of us would like to see is a free and independent State of Palestine alongside it and peace between the two.
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I (almost) agree.
Any jewish person, of any nationality has 'the right to return' to Israel, whilsts thousands of Palestinians who were actually born their are excluded from living in the country of their birth.
Funny old world.