Hello, thank you, and a question...
Posted by: rodwsmith on 13 April 2004
Hello all,
I've just "returned" to hi-fi after an unforgiveable lapse. Some time ago something went wrong with my system which eventually turned out to be (only) the volume potentiometer on my faithful 42.5. In the meantime I had grown used to "single volume playback", and watched loads of rubbish on telly.
Now, however I hame revamped and rediscovered my love of, and nostalgia for, the record collection. And that on:
Rega Planar3, RB300, Elys
CD5
62 - Hi-cap - 180
Credos
The Re-tuned Rega with new oil, belt, motor upgrade etc is outperforming the cd5 with some aplomb.
I have found another Hi-cap at sub-Ebay prices (not difficult) so am going to see the degree to which it improves the cd5. I can always (although won't) sell it on later at no loss. So runs the justification-logic program in my (and I suspect other's) brains.
I spent several happy hours reading hundreds of posts on this forum over the weekend, and the hi-cap addition seems recommended. So it's your (collectively) fault.
On a similar basis, I think I could acquire a 72 for not much more than I could sell the 62 on e-bay. I'd be grateful for anyone's opinion on whether this would be worthwhile. I certainly, however, have no need of extra inputs.
I'll whisper that advice on future upgrades would be unsuccessfully ignored. Probably.
I particularly enjoyed the thread headed "hi-fi", which was largely about the vast sums of money we spend on all this malarkey when it could go towards a new holiday, car, shoe collection etc.
I work in wine. And that is worse, I can tell you.
I caught myself, in front of a group of friends in a restaurant recently, describing something on a wine list as "amazingly blo*dy cheap".
It was £200*.
I bought it and we drank it. £200 of memories (fleeting, even, as it wasn't the last).
Hi-fi is amazing value for money.
I doubt the sonic qualities of wireless networking my laptop to my listening chair, but the surfing/listening combo is rather pleasant. I haven't watched telly for weeks.
Cheers!
Rod
*Latour 1990. In London. See?
Posted on: 13 April 2004 by hicapman
Blimey £200!, to me that would be £5 chardonnay and £195 on something for the hi-fi

Posted on: 13 April 2004 by J.N.
Welcome aboard Rod
Herein lies the path to penury. You have been warned.
From a dealer and Naim you will get sensible advice. Here; you will get paranoia (probably from me as well)
Learn to sort the wheat from the chaff and its endless free fun, until the upgrade urge rears its ugly head.
On that subject - yes a 72 should sound a lot better than a 62; particularly fed from a Hi-Cap.
Happy listening.
Posted on: 14 April 2004 by --duncan--
Nah - don't muck around with the 72 - go straight for the 82

Let's say a decent HiCap can be obtained for £400. You should be able to get £700 for your CD5...for the same price we're talking s/h CDX which would give your Rega a run for it's money.
Seriously, the 72 will sound a bit better but you've got a pretty well balanced system there. Buy records!
duncan
Email: djcritchley at hotmail.com
Posted on: 14 April 2004 by Jez Quigley
Nah - don't muck around with the 82 - go straight for the 52!
Cue those at the head of the Naim food chain -"Nah - don't muck around with the 52 - go straight for the 552"

Posted on: 14 April 2004 by rodwsmith
Thanks, PR, Jez, Duncan, I appreciate the thoughts.
Hicapman, fine system you have, but £5 wine is beneath you. This is sub sansui midi-system in vinous terms. I GUARANTEE that your hi-fi will sound a great better if acompanied by a decent Meursault. Most worthwhile upgrade you will make. Promise.
I am intrigued by the TE Microgroove and will investigate further. I'll confess I'd rather make the cd player catch up than exacerbating the difference, but anything affordable in the pursuit of quality I guess.
The hi-cap is on its way in any case.
My friendly local dealer informs me that he managed to secure some of the last P25s from Rega before the (to my taste) rather unfortunate looking picture-frame new stuff. He would sell me one for £400. Am I mad even to hesitate on this? I would need to add on a cartridge to match of course, but I'd probably be able to sell the old Planar 3 for a bit I imagine.
I think in any case I'll ditch the 72 plan and start saving towards an 82, although most critically I am quite happy listening to what I've got for the time being. I just don't know how long "time being" actually is anymore...
Cheers
Rod
Posted on: 14 April 2004 by J.N.
quote:
Thanks, PR, Jez, Duncan
You're welcome.
Posted on: 14 April 2004 by rodwsmith
JN I'm so sorry! I thought I had scrolled back enough. Apologies!

Rod
PS Selling some wine, anyone interested?
Posted on: 14 April 2004 by J.N.
Thanks Rod - only teasing - couldn't resist.
Wanna buy some wine?
You crafty chap - you have discovered the ultimate saleable upgrade tool - get pissed - everything sounds great!
This may be below the level of your connoiseur's palate, but my fave affordable 'red' of the moment is Tesco's Californian Cabernet Sauvignon at £3.99
Posted on: 15 April 2004 by rodwsmith
Hi JN
One in four bottles of wine sold in the UK now goes through Tesco. They have terrific buying power, and therefore offer good value. But their minimum supplier order is 25,000 cases, which cuts out about 99.5% of the world's wine producers, including IMHO almost all of the good ones. I spot a hi-fi parallel.
In a £2.99 bottle of wine, no more than 4p (at most) has been spent on the wine. Mr Brown gets the lion's share. As the bulk of the costs are fixed (ex VAT), then a wine at £3.99 might roughly equate to £1.04 for the liquid. i.e. some twenty times better. And so on
However, a wine at a tenner - that's where the real quality begins. It is no more possible to produce good wine on an industrial scale than it is hi-fi.
However, if Tesco is where your wine must come from then try either Da Luca from southern Italy, or Argento from Argentina (both a fiver). This will be the most notable £1 increase in quality you will ever have discovered. I hope.
If someone makes me an offer on my case of Léoville-Barton 1995, I can undertake to turn it into an 82, which seems to be the consensus of opinion. Alternatively I could just drink 2 bottles and everything would sound so much lovelier. Until the morning.
At least I don't collect art..!
All the best
Rod
Posted on: 15 April 2004 by Andrew L. Weekes
quote:
If someone makes me an offer on my case of Léoville-Barton 1995
I can still remember drinking the first (and only) bottle of Léoville-Barton I bought, which is probably more than can be said for my first HiFi.
These days my budget only extends to the best coffee, which is a cheaper and actually far more complex alternative to fine wines.
The effect isn't the same though, in fact quite the opposite

Andy.
Posted on: 15 April 2004 by rodwsmith
I'm afraid I, too, have fallen into the coffee upgrade trap.
But once one discovers that Illy is the Naim thereof, it becomes easier!
Patrick, please don't get the wine bug too, the combination really is wallet crippling, although a good match.
However no-one should spend their whole lives without trying a First Growth at least once. The 97s are drinking well now and about £80.
But mention of Tanners got me going - might certainly be a potential buyer for the "spare" wine, so perhaps the 82 ain't that far off...
Shame it's not permissable to sell wine on Ebay really. A 52 mightn't be out of the question then

I'm starting to wonder if there isn't another underlying synergy: 52, 62, 82, all very good vintages..!
Mind you 90 was a great vintage and 92 wasn't so it's beginning to fall apart. D'oh.
Salut!
Rod
Posted on: 15 April 2004 by hicapman
quote:
Originally posted by rodwsmith:
Thanks, PR, Jez, Duncan, I appreciate the thoughts.
Hicapman, fine system you have, but £5 wine is beneath you. This is sub sansui midi-system in vinous terms. I GUARANTEE that your hi-fi will sound a great better if acompanied by a decent Meursault. Most worthwhile upgrade you will make. Promise.
Thanks for the system compliment Rod, I do like drinking wine with the other half

but the most I've ever spent i think was £20 for a Moet & chandon which I love but once that bottle has been started i just gotta finish it!When it comes to wine I am probably more your 'stack system' drinker than your Naim 'connoiseur' drinker.Actually probably more interested in it's effects than it's quality of taste!

Posted on: 15 April 2004 by rodwsmith
Tis a bit like buying a 250 on the basis that it is better at giving you a headache, but I take your point.
Bottles HAVE to be finished, it's a law. I once awoke after a party to find a half-full bottle of Dom Perignon - with a fag-end in it.
Never let this happen to you.