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Posted by: Ron Toolsie on 24 March 2004
I have learned a lesson. NEVER wall mount heavy equipment above pieces of expensive gear, especially without wall anchors. A few days ago a makeshift wallshelf that housed probably 70 lbs worth of an Armageddon and Epona SPS failed. Only one end was embedded into a wall stud.. the other end into sheetrock. Guess which end failed? Anyway, the result was those 70 lbs of power supplies came crashing down onto the top of my new CDS3 fragmenting the perspex fliptop lid and scuffing some of the casing. The lid fortunately can be replaced in the field. Fortunately the absolute rigidity of the Fraim beneath the CDS3 allowed the CDS3 to not move and hence the pin/leaf suspension was entirely unaffected. As soon as possible I will have the have the remaining equipment Fraimed and leave ONLY the LP12 on a Mana reference wall shelf, which is bolted onto 1 inch thick marine ply mounted on the wall by MANY screws that are all into studs.
Attached is the audio equivalent of a snuff movie. Not for the faint of hearts.
PS... the fraim housing the CDS3/XPS2 with 2 blank levels between them was a very very significant improvement over putting the CDS3 on a very rigid 3 inch high Roomtune ampstand. A warmer, richer and more articulate sound that is completely without edge and yet greatly dynamic. I am now a Fraim-junkie.
Ron
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Posted on: 24 March 2004 by J.N.
Ow!
I'm wincing in sympathy Ron.
Could have been a lot worse I guess?
Posted on: 24 March 2004 by kuma
wow.
I was always dubious of how ridgid those wall mounting brackets are. This is like my worst nightmare.
does your cds3 still play after receiving such a 'jolt'?
I am surprised the lid did not break.
Posted on: 24 March 2004 by Stevea
quote:
Originally posted by kuma:
I am surprised the lid did not break.
I think he said it did, fragmented in fact. I guess the picture was post replacement.
Steve
Posted on: 24 March 2004 by Ron Toolsie
Actually.. the picture does show the zig-zag crack in it- I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic describing it as 'fragmenting';here is an alternate view. Its not only the perspex that is cracked but also the surrounding casing. I assumed that I was not the only person in the world that this has happened to, but it appears that I well may be. Dooooooh!
Ron
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Posted on: 24 March 2004 by kuma
ouch X2
more gory details.. this is painful.
Posted on: 24 March 2004 by Top Cat
I feel your pain more than most - I lost an LP12/Lingo/Aro/Asaka in the summer of 2001 when a wallshelf mounting crumbled and the resultant weigh-shift caused the whole lot to keel over. I also lost a phono stage and headphone amp, but fortunately for me the insurance company paid out.
I trust you are insured?
John
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by J.N.
Ron
I couldn't relax until it had been back to its maker for a thorough check up and repair.
A long process for you, I guess?
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by NB
That must be everyone's worst nightmare, you have my sympathy Ron!
NB
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by prowla
We've been looking at moving house, and I've not been that keen on timber framed houses. Your experience kind of helps confirm that.
Crying shame about the kit :-(
Paul
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by Dev B
Sorry to hear about this Ron, hope everything gets fixed soon.
Dev
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by greeny
So Sorry Ron,
This has certainly made me think, as my CDS3 is directly beneath my Quadraspire wall mounted LP12, where the walls are Thermal blocks.
I may have to rethink the fixing method.
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by ben r
wow sorry to hear, wall shelfs have always made me nervous, even when I go into a store and see one I always have thought....what if it ???, thats why I have never used one and for sure never will, very sorry,hope it can be remedied,Ben r
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by Geoff P
I have a 42" Plasma mounted on the wall behind my HiFi though off to one side.
It has been there now for 18 months. I am lucky in one respect because the wall is brick. I borrowed an industrial drill and put in heavy industrial fixing bolts with metal outer shells which expand on bolting up.
When the Plasma was first hung in place I spent a few days & nights checking round the back to see if the bolts were "pulling" out.
So far so good but you have made me nervous all over again. The only thing that does help is that the mass is acting straight down, not sitting on a shelf which has a fulcrum effect on the fixing bolts.
I've seen some "harier" looking installations which it amazes me people get away with.
It is quite frightening though when you consider how much money we have hanging by a couple of fixings.
regards
GEOFF
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by Geoff P
Ron
Sorry to divert but:
What material is it that is under the CDS3. It is not a standard FRAIM glass shelf?
Is it this alternate material there was a discussion about on here some 6 months ago?
If so do you have a comparison between it and glass.
regards
GEOFF
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by Rick Weldon
i once came home from work and noticed my dog (a26kg staffy) grinning at me through the window,the window is 4 ft up the wall ,he was sat on my wall mounted Lp12!
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by Ron Toolsie
Well spotted, oh eagle-eyed one! The shelf under the Fraim is not glass, instead a custom cut piece of Corian, available at your local hardware shop for $20. This works far better under gear with internal suspension (CDS3, 552) than glass when the Fraim is on a suspended wooded flooring- the difference is far from subtle. With a concrete floor, the glass is as good as anything else.
And yes, the CDS3 sounds as spectacular now as it did before the Crak-mod. It is purely a cosmetic issue. When NANA gets a replacement part it, it will be installed.
quote:
What material is it that is under the CDS3. It is not a standard FRAIM glass shelf?
Ron
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Posted on: 25 March 2004 by Dave J
Hi Ron,
I would be very interested to know how your LP12 sounded on the Corian equipped Fraim. Have you tried this by any chance?
Dave
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by domfjbrown
OUCH indeed! Can they replace the case? Blimey - so wall shelves are NOT the best option always then?
If I was going to use one, I'd put my weight on it first before any equipment - if it can take 70kgs it'll take anything...
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Posted on: 25 March 2004 by Dev B
quote:
Originally posted by Ron Toolsie:
Well spotted, oh eagle-eyed one! The shelf under the Fraim is not glass, instead a custom cut piece of Corian, available at your local hardware shop for $20. This works far better under gear with internal suspension (CDS3, 552) than glass when the Fraim is on a suspended wooded flooring- the difference is far from subtle. With a concrete floor, the glass is as good as anything else.
quote:
What material is it that is under the CDS3. It is not a standard FRAIM glass shelf?
Ron
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Dum audio vivo
Ron,
Is that for real? I am curious. Why does this work? What did the Corian do for the sound? My whoe system is on Fraim, but it would be easy to try under my LP12 and CDS2.
regards
Nerdy-Dev
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by neil w
ron
what thickness is the corian ?
over here in the uk it is a bit dearer than $20 , ive seen it sold for £450 per linear meter by 600mm wide as used for kitchen worktops
if it can stop suspension rattles im up for some under my 552
just need to get some off cuts cheap
neil
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by P
Hey the Corian only works if you drop a 70lb lump on top of your CD Player first.
Didn't you know?
P
Posted on: 25 March 2004 by Geoff P
Ron
Sorry about that I seem to have started something here.
I can probably stick with glass on my CDX2 since I am on a ceramic tile on concrete floor and I guess the cast "shoe" holding the CD drive on the CD5's and the CDX2 is less sensitive anyway.
Anyway sympathy on the "crash". Right after the moment of impact it must have been pretty traumatic.
regards
GEOFF
