Welfare Of A Child

Posted by: DAVOhorn on 28 June 2004

I was working in my local health centre today.

A smartly dressed young mother with a very young baby also nicely attired turned up.

Anyway the mother presented the milk tokens for the free milk for the baby.

The milk tokens were not Kosher.

The reason i do not know, suffice to say thety were not going to be exchanged for milk.

Many sell the milk and milk tokens to pay for tobacco alcohol drugs etc, so my colleague is vigilant in this matter. If the milk tokens are not valid for whatever reason NO MILK>

Anyway the mother loses it and starts accusing my colleague of causing her baby to starve.

"What is my baby going to eat?"

A tin of baby milk powder is approx £6.00 the cost of 1.5 packets of fags or a couple of bottles of alcohol.

A pint of fresh milk is 40p approx.

Now who today who loved their child would not spend a little money on milk to feed their own child ?

I am judgemental in this , but is this the sort of person who should be a parent?

regards David
Posted on: 28 June 2004 by matthewr
If I was a parent I would make sure my child understood compassion, the dangers of jumping to conclusions based on prejudices and paragraphs.

Matthew
Posted on: 28 June 2004 by Martin Hull
They must also understand fairness and honesty!

Martin
Posted on: 28 June 2004 by throbnorth
Scandalous. The Daily Mail should be informed at once.

throb
Posted on: 28 June 2004 by Brian OReilly
Milk tokens ? Milk TOKENS ? FFS this can't be a true story can it ? How much can it cost the country to give the milk powder away on demand to ANYONE who asks DAVO ? The blackmarket collapses and small kids have enough to drink.

This is bollocks DAVO. If I lived in the UK I'd happily pay an extra 0,00001p in the pound income tax to give free milk to children.

Shabby.

Regards,

brian (the milkman of human kindness)
Posted on: 28 June 2004 by Derek Wright
No doubt "health and Safety" plus DEFRA and a few other quangos and government departments would not allow the storage and distribution of a food product at a clinic, apart from the fact that it would provide less work for the clerks in the back offices to do in the issueing, checking back and counting of the milk tokens.

Derek

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Posted on: 28 June 2004 by matthewr
Scandalous. The Daily Mail should be informed at once

Indeed. DAVOhorn had a prima facia case against a drug-pedalling, baby endangering, alcholic who was a kingpin of the local milk token black market. And he let her go.

Lock him up, I say, lock him up!
Posted on: 28 June 2004 by Simon Perry
What an odd thread. On a semi-related subject, I was observing today the Daily Hail's headlines on the train into London. Something about a foetus at 12 weeks being able to jog on the spot in the womb. Obviously a bit of a pro-life story. And I though, well you obviously can't win with the Daily Mail. If you are a single Mum-to-be, and have an abortion, the Hail hates you, and if you actually have the kid, the Hail hates you for that as well. I really really hate that paper.
Simon
Posted on: 28 June 2004 by count.d
What's the problem? No milk token, no milk. Don't judge anything, just tell your colleague to do his/her job.
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Berlin Fritz
Fire 90% of so called local authority workers in the field, except those with
memories that can remember a pittiless mother that has to recieve milk for her
child. This being far too simple, a possible solution would be that she has an
ID card with pic and number, tokens are given to her from ultra modern print out
machine (with laser scoreboard of course) with corresponding number on them/it.
She then proceeds to one of many local shops, supermarkets etc, etc, produces
token and ID, and gets milk and whatever, as well as keepin our Tone happy cos
she can choose where the fuck she wants to buy it.


Fritz Von Bringbackmaggie Big Grin

Ps: On the same lines put the mail out of business by not refering to it alöl the time or buying it, get the Daily Sketch instead, simple, innit, it's your choice, it's called market forces, or stupidity, one of the two ?
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Rasher
Going back to the original post:
Firstly, we don't know any of the circumstances. If the inference is that the woman had sold her tokens for fags or drugs, then I fail to see how you could automatically jump to that conclusion - but it really doesn't matter anyway. And if she did, she must be having a hard time to have to do that. Milk tokens are there as an attempt to provide milk for babies in cases where they might otherwise go without, and if the system is abused by some, then so what? Stop the system and deny the tokens to everyone? If the system is abused by some, then just accept it - it's the way of the world - but better to do that than do nothing. People are being helped by milk tokens and that is all that matters ultimately.
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by matthewr
"Going back to the original post"

I wouldn't bother. DAVOhorn has a history of posting these slightly bizarre, entirely unreasonable right wing rants and they never go anywhere. He is either deliberately trolling or else some combination of unpleasant and stupid and either way its hardly worth the effort to attempt to discuss him

Much better just to take the piss.

Matthew
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Rasher
That's a bit dismissive and judgemental isn't it Matthew? It was a fair observation and David just stated an opinion - can't see a problem with that. Bad day at the office, eh?! Wink
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by matthewr
Rasher -- Have a poke around and find some previous DAVOhorn threads. Like this one for starters.

Matthew
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Andrew L. Weekes
Breastmilk costs nothing...

...and you cannot feed fresh (cow's) milk to babies, it's not nutritionally adequate or suitable.

Andy.
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Rasher
OK
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Andrew L. Weekes
quote:
A tin of baby milk powder is approx £6.00 the cost of 1.5 packets of fags or a couple of bottles of alcohol.


Did this nicely dressed mother come in clutching a bottle of booze in one hand and a fag in the other then, or is this just your prejudicial view of young mothers you want to pass on, by inference?

Andy.
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Paul Ranson
I'm not quite sure what the point of David's post is, but the 'milk token' system is described at http://www.direct.gov.uk/Audiences/Parents/HavingABaby/Entitlements/EntitlementsArticle/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=4002854&chk=jN%2BJi%2B

I fully support not cashing milk tokens that have been 'sold on', to do so supports the abuse of the child whose mother has sold on her benefit.

I've no idea what David's point was though, perhaps that even 'smartly dressed' mothers are prepared to try and steal milk from babies?

Paul
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Rasher
"I fully support not cashing milk tokens that have been 'sold on', to do so supports the abuse of the child whose mother has sold on her benefit.

So what if the child has an allegy to milk but the mother needs all the help she can get, so sells off the tokens in order to give the baby an alternative? I have friends who were out of work at the time and had new baby that couldn't take the SMA they were given, so we took it off them and supplied them with nappies instead. Worked out about the same for them. Would you deny them that?
It's so easy to judge, isn't it.
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Rasher
...and those that can, should walk their kids to school, leaving the roads clear for those that genuinely can't. Hang on....
I used to take my daughter to school last year, and the mothers would stop to have a conversation wherever they met - usually right in the middle of the footpath blocking everyone rushing in and out of the school grounds - so maybe those that just dropped the kids from the cars outside were not contributing to the congestion inside the school grounds. Just a thought. It used to drive me mad. Didn't they have anything to do all day?? Mad
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Brian OReilly
How's it work then ? Where's the profit ?

Fresh milk tokens for one week is what, GBP 3,00 , milk powder is what, GBP 6,00 ? What would you buy/sell at ? You'd pay no more than 50% of the face value. So that's a profit of GBP 1,50 or GBP 3,00 ? You'd have to be on your KNEES to bother ?

It's not even profit is it ? Unless you want a dead baby on your hands you have to buy something for it to eat and milk must be about the cheapest/only foodstuff that an infant can digest.

No, sorry, it doesn't add up unless you live in the land of The Daily Hate.

The only plausible reason for someone to fake milk tokens is if they are giving their child more than 1pt milk per day, and if that's the case just exchange the effing tokens and have one less mal-nourished kid on your hands.

Got milk ? No apparently not.

Brian OReilly
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Rockingdoc
quote:
Originally posted by Rasher:
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So what if the child has an allegy to milk but the mother needs all the help she can get, so sells off the tokens in order to give the baby an alternative? .



Well that was pointless, because all alternative feeds for lactose-intolerant infants is available free on NHS FP10 prescription.

Anybody who needs to trade in infant formula feeds is pretty desperate one way or another, and should certainly not be judged by anyone whose sole qualification is ownership of a flash hi-fi
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Rasher
quote:
Originally posted by Rockingdoc:
.... and should certainly not be judged by anyone whose sole qualification is ownership of a flash hi-fi


Or anyone for that matter. Yup. Exactly.
( I wonder why they didn't do that then? - will have to ask my missus).
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Hammerhead
An udder disgrace if ever I'd read one.
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by Brian OReilly
Dairy of A Mad Man

Brian OReilly
Posted on: 29 June 2004 by matthewr
Yoghurt to laugh.