*****es Brew

Posted by: Martin D on 08 October 2004

Saw this in Bristol HMV - with some jazz talk going round at the moment, and it was recommended by a friend, bit of a risk as i've never heard it. Just copying it for the car so will report later. Saw Chick Corea and Lenny White are on it. Fisbey and Rasher note.
Martin
Posted on: 08 October 2004 by Rasher
It's a good'un. It invented jazz fusion, and the rest is history. It has Joe Zawinul and John Mclaughlin on it too.
I love it.
and Billy Cobham I think
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by Rasher
It very much set the idea of Mahavishnu - so if you like them - you will like this.
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by Martin D
Well, what can I say! Its definitely one of the most significant albums I’ve bought in ages, it’s a strange mixture of melody, energy, inventiveness and beauty. I’ve also just realised the track Spanish Key was used in the Michael Mann film Collateral (which I thought was shear brilliance). This morning I read the extensive notes that came with the CD, to my amazement, and only really knowing KOB, it explains that the track Pharaohs Dance is actually made up of 19 (yes nineteen) post production loops edits insertions etcetera all joined together to make the finished piece, some are only a few second in length. Anyway, back to the music I’m really in to it already, a truly remarkable musical landmark, like the man said Kind of Blue it most certainly isn’t! Best played loud BTW.
Regards
Martin
Smile Big Grin
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by fishski13
any recommendations for this on vinyl vs. cd.

thanks

blowing my mind on music,

corey
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by Martin D
Hi Corey
The thing I bought was a Miles 75Y anniversary issue - 20 bit re-master blah blah, all I can say is it sounds good, anyone out there have it on spiral scratch?
Martin
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by John3
Apparently there is a 4 disc 'complete sessions' version ouut on 4th Nov.
Posted on: 09 October 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by fishski13:
any recommendations for this on vinyl vs. cd.

thanks

blowing my mind on music,

corey


I have the complete sessions which are very interesting (4 CDs) and are brilliantly mastered. I don't believe its worth going for an LP, but you may find a used copy very cheaply so why not? Also worth looking at from this period is 'Live Evil' Now that I would definitely go for on CD, cos' my LP was badly pressed off centre.

Peter

Posted on: 09 October 2004 by fishski13
thanks,
i'll look for the "complete sessions" on cd.

blowing my mind on music,

corey
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by Kevin-W
The Complete Bitches Brew Sessions has been available for some time as a lavishly packaged box set on Columbia.

Even better, it's available as a 6-LP box set on Mosaic Records

Mosaic Records Miles Davis LP boxes

I haven't got this particular one, but I have a couple of the others and they're well worth the investment: the highest possible quality pressings and absolutely first-rate packaging.

However, I have to say that I find Bitches Brew a bit dated and bombastic. It has its moments, but I think that the previous year's In A Silent Way is not only a far better record, but a more influential one and, for Miles, a more significant point/fulcrum in his career.

Kevin (Mayday: Wiggin)
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by kj burrell
I love Bitches Brew but think that the Tribute to Jack Johnson is the best Davis recording from this period. Less rambling than BB with some harder sounds. There's a great passage with Miles playing over guitar feedback.

Kevin
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by Martin D
"In A Silent Way"
Kevin, could you some this album up? Is it electric etc?
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by Martin D:
"In A Silent Way"
Kevin, could you some this album up? Is it electric etc?


It's 'cooler' than Bitches Brew and more accesible, I hear as more acoustic. Transitional in a way between the 2nd great quintet recordings and the More electric stuff that followed. Definitely a landmark in the Davis canon.

Peter

Posted on: 10 October 2004 by Martin D
Thanx Peter
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by fred simon
quote:
Originally posted by Peter Stockwell:
quote:
Originally posted by Martin D:
"In A Silent Way"
Kevin, could you some this album up? Is it electric etc?


It's 'cooler' than Bitches Brew and more accesible, I hear as more acoustic. Transitional in a way between the 2nd great quintet recordings and the More electric stuff that followed. Definitely a landmark in the Davis canon.


All true, except not acoustic save for Miles' trumpet.
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by fred simon
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Alves:
Only be warned it is NOT like A Kind of Blue.


Yes, overall.

However, two very important things are pretty much the same: the pervasive sense of space that is emblematic of all Miles' music; and his own playing, which really doesn't change much from album to album although the context in which he puts himself does.
Posted on: 10 October 2004 by Peter Stockwell
quote:
Originally posted by fred simon:

I hear as more acoustic.

All true, except not acoustic save for Miles' trumpet.


Fred,

I said hear as more acoustic. I' haven't played it in a while, but I can't help hearing it as more acoustic. Compared with Bitches Brew or Live Evil, say.

Peter

Posted on: 11 October 2004 by Kevin-W
quote:
Originally posted by Martin D:
"In A Silent Way"
Kevin, could you some this album up? Is it electric etc?


I like it because it is more fluid, yet more serene; probably more accessible than BB, but I think that in the oceanic, weightless, contemplative quality of the two pieces on tthe album, it is a closer relative of "Kind of Blue" than "Bitches Brew".

Kevin (Archive: Take My Head)
Posted on: 11 October 2004 by Martin D
Cheers
I'll get it ASAP
Martin
Posted on: 14 October 2004 by Martin D
Bought it on the way home, IASW, that is. First play fan f£$%)@g tastic, thanks for the recommendation, sounds a bit ambient and talk talk'ish in places.
Martin
Posted on: 15 November 2004 by dsteady
I'm late to this party, and so doubtful that any one will be left... but I can't believe all this talk of "In A Silent Way" without mention of Columbia's "The Complete In A Silent Way Sessions." (c3k 65362) This a 3 cd box-set with excellent liner-notes by Bob Belden. These include long recollections by the musicans, dicography and track takes, a session history, and detailed chord movements and time signatures of each tune. It is truly an amazing complement to an amazing album, and there is much refernce to IASW's ultimate signifcance to Bitch's Brew. Go get it; and if you just bought IASW individually, go get anyway, as it includes some significant omissons from the original LP -- one of these is Ghetto Walk which has fast become one of favorites.
Oh yeah, and its sonics shine.
cheers
daniel
Posted on: 16 November 2004 by Martin D
Cheers for the additional info
Martin
Posted on: 16 November 2004 by Madrid
What most amazes me about In a Silent Way is how undated the music seems after four decades (except, perhaps, for the organ). It is as though Miles anticipated the whole fusion and (later) ambient sound.

Cheers,

Steven
Posted on: 16 November 2004 by Top Cat
OT: I'm reading the Miles' autobiography right now, and apart from the gratuitous use of the m-f word (he a bad man!) it's well worth a read. A fiver or less from Fopp, IIRC.

Not really relevant to the BB topic but I figured Miles' fans reading this might be interested nevertheless...

John