Kill bill and tarantino.

I thought that as a neo ironic homage (or whatever) to martial arts films it showed a spectacular lack of appreciation.
Possibly one of the crappest films I have seen. I admired and enjoyed the energy of Pulp Fiction but would not rate it as a great film. Everything since seems the product of a director with no self critical facility. A bit like some Brit Art.

I believe parts one and two should be watched together as a single film.
I found it to be a very good film, with excellent use of music.

Yes Doc, me too. I came away from part 1 not knowing why such full on violence and not really appreciating the whole 70's theme and the jokes. Part 2 pulled the whole thing together, and I loved the Starsky & Hutch references. It has to be watched together and then it becomes something else. Personally I hate the violence, but taking on board that it is a joke & letting that go for a while, the film comes over as something entirely new and almost crosses over into David Lynch in parts.
Kill Bill is a hugely important film in the history of cinema. Tarantino is a genius, whether you like his stuff or not. I think it's his best film so far, but it's not my favorite by miles. I won't rush to watch it again.

Blimey I thought the last part of Lord of the Rings was too violent - seriously I did.....

I really enjoyed Part 1, despite its faults. Part 2 was OK, a bit too dialogue-heavy.

The mistake was to split the film in two - KB would have made one very good two-hour film.

Adam, I have to disagree - I think in many ways "Jackie Brown" is his best film; it's certainly the only one with a heart, and will, I suspect, be among his better-remembered movies in 50 years' time.

Kevin

I'm with Kevin-W. I wish he'd make another moviw with a little less flash and a bit more humanity like JB.

Bruce

I don't know why he(Tarantino) gets the plaudits he does.

Seriously though do you guys sit there watching films such as these saying to yourself 'I hate violence?'

I think that perhaps you sit there with pulses racing loving it, and just post here saying you hate it for some reason I cannot think of right now.

I am not a violent person, but I likes a bit of fighting on screen of course!

I've seen Kill bill part I, decided it didn't qualify for a permanent space on our shelf. Haven't seen part 2 yet - I agree, if it takes a whole extra movie to 'tie it together' some judicious editing would have worked the whole thing out in 120 mins, surely?

Yep, me too for Jackie Brown ...somehow Taranitno manages to just get the f*#k outa the way** and helps the fabulous cast to a great result. I can watch this one again and again.

Oh, and slightly off topic you can see Sam L. recycle bits of Ordell Robbie in Formula 51 (nope, that won't make it on to the shelf either, but good for giggles).

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

**his cameos are consistently appalling*** - surely only motivated by vanity? What was he thinking playing "Jimmie" in Pulp Fiction? Did he pass his own casting couch?

*** oh yeah, with the exception of his answering machine electronic voice in Jackie Brown!

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I think that perhaps you sit there with pulses racing loving it, and just post here saying you hate it for some reason I cannot think of right now.

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Not me. I felt very uncomfortable watching KB1 and was near to leaving it, but I was with someone who really wanted to see it, so I stayed the course. I was then urged to watch 2 as I was assured it was not so violent and it made sense of the first. That was true.
I know the difference between film and real life of course, but still felt slightly sickened by it.
I think it is clever to have the comedy deaths just to remove it from the real.

I saw Taxi the other night at the movies and caught myself thinking how irresponsible the driving was on public streets, so I can only think that I have turned the corner now and am slowly turning into my mother! It didn't last long thankfully. I just have to keep hold of that thought.
I had a friend stabbed for just standing at a taxi rank waiting for a cab. No argument - no build up to it. Being made to laugh at this sort of thing on screen, or just to accept it without question sometimes grates a bit. Maybe that's the difference.

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as is 'Get Shorty' - the greatest film there ever was!

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Indeed. It's the Cadillac of mini-vans, for sure.

A totally perfect film.

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nah.. '
'Pulp Fiction' is it.

Get Shorty is on my top shelf - I love it. Watched it again the other day, amazing to see it's nearly ten years old!

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Any takers for True Romance??

There are films that, although not advancing human understanding, are so well scripted, directed and acted that they are a joy to watch. Get Shorty is one.
Goodfellas, similarly, grabs you early on and doesn’t let go until it has told its tale.
Leon, while apparently less hectic, takes you on a long journey – that ends too soon.

Ah well if we are going to list the superior competition
HEAT & TRAFFIC should be in there with the others mentioned.

"Just trying to make a NAIM for myself"

How about Altman's 'The Player'?

For a surreal Hollywood backdrop film, I loved that one. Not as many clever 'one liners' as Get Shorty. Except a short but wonderful perfomance by Whoopie Goldberg.

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I certainly rate The Limey for story-telling.

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yeah. A low-key. But it was surprisingly not bad.

Surely not the same Limey I saw with our Tel being unbelievably bad?

The Player - yes.
Heat - yes

Limey - No.

not the most important aspect of the film, I found Stamp beleivably bad.

I rate Heat - although IMHO at times it comes across as a little *too* slick. Other days i watch it and am in awe. Sold my double-NTSC copy to a someone who turned out to be a film scholar completist-fan of Heat, later called me up to outline his passion for the movie! I had no idea it had such a strong following.

Vertigo.

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Surely not the same Limey I saw with our Tel being unbelievably bad?

The Player - yes.
Heat - yes

Limey - No.

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Funny, The Play is a film either love it or hate it.

Guess, the same could be said for The Pulp Fiction which I absolutely adore ( every line is a gem ), I get the 50/50 responce of either 'that was stupid' or 'it was brilliant'.

Jackie has the heart
Pulp has the dialogue and brill, grotesque characters
R Dogs has the nastiness

Kill Bill has Uma Thurman..

and Get Shorty has Rene Russo.

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio