Blimey
Posted by: Martin D on 27 November 2004
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/4023907.stm
This is no attempt to raise the subject again - I kid you not, its all to do with liability insurance etc. Just been talking to a sparkie at a neighbours who are having some work done. I believe its the same in other countries were i've heard you cant even wire a plug yourself
Martin
This is no attempt to raise the subject again - I kid you not, its all to do with liability insurance etc. Just been talking to a sparkie at a neighbours who are having some work done. I believe its the same in other countries were i've heard you cant even wire a plug yourself
Martin
So who is going to police this one? Surely if you do any work yourself you could always say it was done before Jan 2005.
Not that I would be so dishonest of course.
Steve B
Not that I would be so dishonest of course.
Steve B
The new Part P is an effort to reduce the incidence of dodgy-from-new domestic installations, and to ensure future works on existing installations are subject to the same standard. t's surprising that until now there has been little legisalation on this, only codes of practice e.g. the IEE manual. You can download Part P - and all other building regs - in PDF format free from the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister website here:
http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/groups/odpm_control/documents/contentservertemplate/odpm_index.hcst?n=240&l=2
Yes, it will affect the sphere of DIYable things, but only, frankly, insofar that anyone with half a brain would already have their work checked-out by a competent electrician. It applies only to fixed installation - so you can still build Tesla coils and plug them in
The general form is that all works are notifiable to Building Control (and therefore technically subject to inspection by them) unless carried out by a 'competent person registered with self-certification scheme' i.e. an NIC-EIC registered electricical contractor or equivalent. Note however there are a range of items listed in Table 1which are non-notifiable to building control and for which no special competence is required:
1)Replacement of 'accessories such as socket outlets, control switches and ceiling roses'
2)Replacing the cable for a single circuit only, where damaged, for example by fire, rodent or ipact
3)Re-fixing or replacing the enclosures of existing installation componenets
4)Providing mecahnical protection to existing fixed installations.
Also, providing it's not in a kitchen or special location (i.e where other safety considerations apply)
5)Adding lighting points (fittings and switches) to existing circuits
6)Adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit
7)Installing or upgrading main or supplementary bonding.
For these items, for the DIYer ' a way of showing compliance would be to follow the IEE guidance or other authoratative manuals' and to have a competent person test it . The definition of 'competence' here does not require NIC-EIC or equivalent registration. In fact, you are open to DIY everything, but whether you will find a suitable 'competent person' to sign it off is another matter.
As to who inspects - well, technically this is subject to the approval of the local Building Control officer., which using a 'competent' person will avoid involving. Alternatively, you could notify Building Control, DIY anything you like and have it inspected subsequently without an electrician involved, but since BC generally these days take the stance that they don't inspect but observe (so as to reduce their liabilities) I don't think that will be popular. The building inspector won't inspect, but the paper trail that is required by Part P will be in the same league as any other form of house modification - if you don't have it, you may have a problem when either the time comes to sell (at which point you'd seek retrospective permission, e.g. a regularisation certificate) - or with insurers if something goes wrong.
[This message was edited by Martin Clark on Sun 28 November 2004 at 11:06.]
http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/groups/odpm_control/documents/contentservertemplate/odpm_index.hcst?n=240&l=2
Yes, it will affect the sphere of DIYable things, but only, frankly, insofar that anyone with half a brain would already have their work checked-out by a competent electrician. It applies only to fixed installation - so you can still build Tesla coils and plug them in
The general form is that all works are notifiable to Building Control (and therefore technically subject to inspection by them) unless carried out by a 'competent person registered with self-certification scheme' i.e. an NIC-EIC registered electricical contractor or equivalent. Note however there are a range of items listed in Table 1which are non-notifiable to building control and for which no special competence is required:
1)Replacement of 'accessories such as socket outlets, control switches and ceiling roses'
2)Replacing the cable for a single circuit only, where damaged, for example by fire, rodent or ipact
3)Re-fixing or replacing the enclosures of existing installation componenets
4)Providing mecahnical protection to existing fixed installations.
Also, providing it's not in a kitchen or special location (i.e where other safety considerations apply)
5)Adding lighting points (fittings and switches) to existing circuits
6)Adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit
7)Installing or upgrading main or supplementary bonding.
For these items, for the DIYer ' a way of showing compliance would be to follow the IEE guidance or other authoratative manuals' and to have a competent person test it . The definition of 'competence' here does not require NIC-EIC or equivalent registration. In fact, you are open to DIY everything, but whether you will find a suitable 'competent person' to sign it off is another matter.
As to who inspects - well, technically this is subject to the approval of the local Building Control officer., which using a 'competent' person will avoid involving. Alternatively, you could notify Building Control, DIY anything you like and have it inspected subsequently without an electrician involved, but since BC generally these days take the stance that they don't inspect but observe (so as to reduce their liabilities) I don't think that will be popular. The building inspector won't inspect, but the paper trail that is required by Part P will be in the same league as any other form of house modification - if you don't have it, you may have a problem when either the time comes to sell (at which point you'd seek retrospective permission, e.g. a regularisation certificate) - or with insurers if something goes wrong.
[This message was edited by Martin Clark on Sun 28 November 2004 at 11:06.]