Any car mechanics - advice please

Posted by: MontyW on 01 November 2004

I have a Peuget 307 D Turbo registered in August 2002 that has covered 44k miles from new and has been serviced by Peugeot at their recommended service intervals, the last one being 36k and the next due at 48k.

Today I have noticed in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear a pronounced greating when I lift the clutch. The greating feeling through the clutch pedal and noise is most noticable when going from 1st - 2nd gear. Also, I can feel a greating sensation through the clutch when in neutral when I press the clutch pedal in slightly.

The other problem is poor pick-up by the car in 4th and 5th gears - it struggles to pull away - something I've not had before. Are these problems related and is it something I should get the arage to look at ASAP? Any suggestions as to what the problems may be?

Cheers, Dave
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by Martin D
Clutch release bearing?
Dave I hope its not the gearbox.
Martin
Frown
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by j8hn
Your clutch is showing serious signs of wear, I suggest you get it sorted forwith before the car lets you down completely.
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by MontyW
Should this be covered by warranty?
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by Geoff P
Sounds very much like clutch slip or spin which is often a very short warning of complete clutch failure.
The clutch has to work hardest under load when you are trying to pull away and poor take up thru' the gears together with grating noises sound like classic symptoms.

It could keep going for a while, it could go tomorrow.

Needs to be fixed soonest I'm afraid.

regards
GEOFF

"Just trying to make a NAIM for myself"
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by Geoff P
Dave

Unlikely. It really depends on how the clutch has been treated. 44K is a bit early for a clutch to go, but on the other hand on a turbo it would have a harder life with the sort of rapid acceleration from rest a turbo encourages.

regards
GEOFF

"Just trying to make a NAIM for myself"
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by MontyW
Any idea on cost to replace a clutch and as it looks as though its not covered by warranty - could I get it done with a non peugeot dealer or would that invalidate other items that are covered under warranty. Wish I'd bough the Passat last week!
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by Paul Ranson
It sounds like the release bearing has failed. Do you drive around with your foot on the pedal? That would accelerate this. Is most of your driving stop/start? (Implies it's a taxi...) that would also encourage it over a substantial mileage.

The pick up problem cannot be the clutch, unless the engine is revving and the car not accelerating, but that's not what you've described.

Changing the clutch (there's no point in not changing it all if you go to the trouble of taking it to bits) will be a 'menu' thing, so the dealer should be able to give you an accurate quote.

Paul
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by oldie
David,
Have a look in your local Yellow pages for "Mr clutch"
it's a nation wide franchise that only specializes in clutch replacement,I think some may also do a bit of brake repair ,but I'm not totally sure about this , they will give you a diagnosis, quote, and if required book you in.I have used them myself on several occasions [in fact I will not use anybody else] and have found them to be below the cost of all of the competition and without any fear I can highly reconmend them.
oldie.
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by long-time-dead
Low speed - stick it a high gear and accelerate. If the speed doesn't pick up and the engine revs faster, more than likely the clutch is knackered.

The grating noise could be as simple as an alignment issue.

Have you owned the car from new ? The speedo may well have been changed (on purpose or if faulty). Not really illegal to change although an element of sharp practice may be used depending on where you bought the car.

Has it been used for towing ? Heavy loads being pulled away badly can often trash a clutch or gearbox bearing.

I would also look at the mechanism from the clutch pedal to the gearbox in case the linkages or cables leading to the gearbox are worn, fouling or in need of lubrication.

The poor pick up in high gears (assuming that the clutch is OK) could be engine-coking. My father had a 206D and it coked all the time. The dealership advised him this was a "common problem" due to an airbox design issue and de-coked the engine under duress. Needless to say, the car was changed almost immediately.

Good luck and I hope the problem is fixed easily and cheaply (more cash for music !)
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by oldie
PS, Sorry I missed the bit about your warrantee, I think that , now under New EC Regs
Motor Car Manufacters canot force you to have your car repaired by the supplier you now have the right to choose If I'm incorrect some one on the forum with comand of legislation will have the correct answer verbatium.To me by your description it sounds like the clutch release bearing thats broken up if it is replace the whole clutch mechanism its false economy not to.
oldie
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by MontyW
Okay I have the car from new. 90% of my driving is on the M62 - so a little stop/start, but not exessive.

Just tried the car at a low speed - put in a high gear and accelerated - the speed picked up and the revs were okay!

Car has not been used for towing or had heavy loads to deal with.

Well the motor goes into the garage tomorrow and I'll let you know what the problem is.

Cheers, Dave
Posted on: 01 November 2004 by Steve B
I used to have a 205 covering a very high mileage (almost 400,000 miles over 15 years) and had a lot of problems with the clutch during that time. The clutch plate itself never got to the point where it actually wore out (It never started slipping) but the clutch outer plate wore out where the release bearing came into contact with it. This made the clutch action so heavy and stiff that it broke clutch cables, the release forks and even a clutch pedal broke at one point. It also made stop/start driving a real pain.

I did have a non genuine clutch fitted once at a local clutch specialist but I had problems with judder and a very sharp action which made it difficult to control. I would recommend sticking to a Puegeot dealer who will use only genuine parts as I found these lasted longer and was cheaper in the long run.

I can't believe I kept that car for so long!

Steve B