Norton AntiVirus problem

Posted by: DJH on 05 October 2004

I have been running Norton utilities and Norton AntiVirus for about three years now on my PC (Windows ME) without problems - until now. Yesterday I tried to defragment the hard disc, and the programme could not complete - I let it run all night(!), and ended up with a message that there was a problem with the antivirus software. So I deinstalled the Norton AntiVirus, and managed to successfully defragment the hard disc. However, I cannot now reinstall Norton AntiVirus - the reinstall fails about half way through (even after a successful prescan of all files on my PC). Does anyone know what the problem might be? The only thing I can think of is that I now also have SpyBot immunisation running in the background - but I have run defragments recently without a problem. This is something I need to solve, because I currently have no firewall or antivirus running!
Posted on: 05 October 2004 by bjorne
I have bad experience with Norton. I am now using avg free edition without problems. Zonealarm has a good free firewall. I am no expert though.
Posted on: 05 October 2004 by Spock
I used to run an older version of NAV on windows ME and had trouble with both more times than I care to remember. Defrag's were always a pain unless everthing running inc background stuff was terminated first.

I now run NAV 2003 on XP and have not had any problems with either. XP seems to be far more stable than ME so maybe you should consider this as well.

Good luck, hope you get it sorted

Spock
Posted on: 05 October 2004 by HTK
Zone Alarm is very good. I still use NAV but I found the full Norton suite slowed things down a lot. I always come off line and shut everything down for a defrag. Never had any problems.

Cheers

Harry
Posted on: 05 October 2004 by DJH
Thanks for all the replies -- I've jut tried again this morning, and NAV still won't reinstall itself properly. Any further ideas about what the problem might be? This evening I may try deinstalling Spybot, to see if that is somehow preventing NAV installation. Otherwise, I suppose I'll have to try a different package as I don't think I can go commando on the web.
Posted on: 06 October 2004 by pingu
Have you considered contacting Symantec for help?

SOunds to me like your defrag has damaged / killed some of the Norton files.
Posted on: 06 October 2004 by David Stewart
My recommendation would be de-install NAV and try NOD32. This is available as a free 30day trial and a 2-year licence (inc upgrades)costs just £35. I've found it's very effective and has a negligible impact on system performance even running Win98SE. Apparently MicroSoft run NOD32 as their in house virus protection. More info here -
ESET/NOD32Home
Posted on: 06 October 2004 by Mike Hughes
DJH,

I remain constantly amused by the number of people on this forum who, when a bit of PC hardware or software goes pear-shaped proffer the solution to switch to something else! These are, of course, the same people who would never dream of doing such a thing if the same happened to their Naim equipment (although the favoured solution from these sort of people is almost inevitably "upgrade"). Kind of makes you wonder whether they ever solve any problems in their lives. After all, what happens when a new product goes pear-shaped (and most do at some point for whatever reason)?

So, some practical advice

a) if you're on this forum then you are either going commando or on another PC. Don't bother trying to contact Symantec direct as you could wait eons for a response and the phone calls cost big-style if you are ever lucky enough to get through. Even better, they typify the kind of response whereby you run through your system and they identify the problem as being something else whilst totally disregarding the fact that all has co-existed fine previously. Generally, the consistency of their products is undermined by their poor quality customer support IMHO

b) check out their faqs. There is some simple stuff you could try there that does actually work. I had what I thought was the most odd problem with NAV 2002 a few months back. Took me no more than 30 seconds to solve after a look at their faq and it really was quite an obscure issue.

c) I would also try various newsgroups. A basic search around NAV installation issues will likely yield up plenty of responses and offer clues.

d) The presenting problem is rarely the underlying issue. Have you looked at going back via a restore point; running system file checker; generally overhauling your OS. I would also check your hardware. If an installation fails consistently at the same point that is often an indicator of a hardware/resource problem i.e. NAV installation can't have something that it wants e.g. a portion of memory and so on.

Never rule out the blindingly obvious.

I can't guarantee that any of the above will work but, if they do, then you will have saved money; learned a little something and be immensely self-satisfied. Wink

Good luck.

Mike

PS: For what it's worth, I suspect the OS may be at fault here.
Posted on: 06 October 2004 by David Stewart
In view of Mike Hughes's objective and erudite analysis above, I feel I have no alternative but to withdraw my my previous recommendation to try NOD32.

I'm sure you wouldn't benefit at all from the performance improvement, lower renewal costs and clear straightforward user interface. Much better to pursue self-fulfilment through persevering with NAV.

Thats the obvious way to go and I'm sorry I didn't spot it in the first place Wink

Oh! and whatever you do, dont even think about upgrading your Windows ME to XP - total waste of time and money Roll Eyes
Posted on: 06 October 2004 by Andrew L. Weekes
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I'm sure you wouldn't benefit at all from the performance improvement, lower renewal costs and clear straightforward user interface. Much better to pursue self-fulfilment through persevering with NAV.


I agree, I didn't benefit from it by such a large amount I coughed up my hard-earned for 3 years worth of NOD32 updates Smile

Seriously though NAV has let me down too many times in the past and has such a performance overhead I'm glad to see the back of it, by all means fix the current NAV problem, but give serious consideration to NOD32 at your next renewal. There's a free 30day trial from their website.

Andy.
Posted on: 06 October 2004 by Mike Hughes
"I'm sure you wouldn't benefit at all from the performance improvement, lower renewal costs and clear straightforward user interface"

David,

I record and master my own music and others on a PC and have to be very aware of performance overhead to avoid dropouts etc. Interestingly NAV comes out very well on this nowadays compared to many of the others quoted here although there's still plenty of guff out there claiming massive hits.Performance hits often vary dramatically depending on OS and other applications so singling out NAV nowadays is a bit deceptive.

My NAV costs barely a tenner to renew and that (to me) is negligible for a relatively smooth running and vital product. I also find the user interface to be excellent and NAV tends (for the most part) to get very good to excellent mag and user reviews on that particular aspect.

Putting all that aside though I have many times been suckered by products that purport to do provide all that you describe and more. Sadly, in the long term they prove no more/less reliable than any other product. That, in part, was my point. TCO also involves looking at the extent of support when things do go wrong. A free product with a problem can take up just as long or longer to resolve and there can often be a huge cost to that.

My other points would be that advice to switch to a new product needs to be backed up with something more than "I like it and it's free/better or I've never had a problem". It's rarely necessary to switch and such advice is often given glibly (and I'll grant you sometimes tongue in cheek) on this forum IMHO. Whether you've had a problem with AV software is extremely dependent upon what else is going on IMHO and that waries with every user.

Mike