Did The OPium Based British Empire Cause Today's Worldwide Junkie Problems ?
Posted by: Berlin Fritz on 10 January 2005
Maybe the German speaking Kaiserin Victoria should remind us, innit ?
Fritz Von Laudernumitup
Fritz Von Laudernumitup
Posted on: 22 January 2005 by Mick P
Deane
I have a glass of single malt most evenings.
I do not committ crimes to fund the habit.
Big difference.
Regards
Mick
I have a glass of single malt most evenings.
I do not committ crimes to fund the habit.
Big difference.
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 22 January 2005 by Berlin Fritz
Mickey old bean, Eric's just been on the blower lookin for a late stand in to beat the drums at todays Millenninmumumum stadium bash down the road to you. As a charitable person (it's unpaid) I thought you might oblige, even though he's an old Junkie, innit.
Fritz Von The coke fucked me up more than the malt did.
Fritz Von The coke fucked me up more than the malt did.
Posted on: 22 January 2005 by Deane F
quote:
Originally posted by Mick Parry:
Deane
I have a glass of single malt most evenings.
I do not committ crimes to fund the habit.
Big difference.
Regards
Mick
Mick
I hope you appreciated my irony though? The fact is that it is just as possible to use, in a functional, recreational and non-destructive fashion, illegal drugs such as heroin, cocaine, cannabis et al. I felt that your original statement contained the implication that all illicit drugs are highly dangerous and instantly addictive.
Deane
Posted on: 23 January 2005 by Phil Barry
Sorry, Mick.
In these hallowed...whatever we're in...you've indicated you're hooked on 2 drugs - alcohol and caffeine.
Sure, you'll say you're not hooked - you can give up these habits anytime.
That's probably true for you and for most of us. Some people react differently however. My bet is that the chemistry of addicts is different from that of non-addicts.
So, Mick, I'd like to read something from you with a little bit of humility...some gratitude for having the money to indulge your desires for alcohol and caffeine and for your ability to take 'em or leave 'em.
As for GB and its drug troubles? It's very, very appropriate.
Jardine, Matheson, HSBC, Swire, etc. started trading opium for these reasons:
1) The Indian colonies were losing money.
2) The West didn't make anything that the Chinese wanted.
3) India could grow poppies, and the Chinese would buy cheap opium.
The rest - the Opium Wars, extra-territoriality, sending missionaries to China because they weren't wanted at home, entry into the opium trade by the US, France, Germany, Russia (IIRC) - is history.
The Western exploitation of opium in China is something that turns my stomach, especially when I hear assholes praise the free market.
BTW, the great Drug War we in the US have funded is another stupid waste of money - after 2 decades of massive expenditures, illegal drugs cost less in the US than when we started.
Regards.
Phil
In these hallowed...whatever we're in...you've indicated you're hooked on 2 drugs - alcohol and caffeine.
Sure, you'll say you're not hooked - you can give up these habits anytime.
That's probably true for you and for most of us. Some people react differently however. My bet is that the chemistry of addicts is different from that of non-addicts.
So, Mick, I'd like to read something from you with a little bit of humility...some gratitude for having the money to indulge your desires for alcohol and caffeine and for your ability to take 'em or leave 'em.
As for GB and its drug troubles? It's very, very appropriate.
Jardine, Matheson, HSBC, Swire, etc. started trading opium for these reasons:
1) The Indian colonies were losing money.
2) The West didn't make anything that the Chinese wanted.
3) India could grow poppies, and the Chinese would buy cheap opium.
The rest - the Opium Wars, extra-territoriality, sending missionaries to China because they weren't wanted at home, entry into the opium trade by the US, France, Germany, Russia (IIRC) - is history.
The Western exploitation of opium in China is something that turns my stomach, especially when I hear assholes praise the free market.
BTW, the great Drug War we in the US have funded is another stupid waste of money - after 2 decades of massive expenditures, illegal drugs cost less in the US than when we started.
Regards.
Phil
Posted on: 23 January 2005 by Mick P
Phil
You said
"So, Mick, I'd like to read something from you with a little bit of humility...some gratitude for having the money to indulge your desires for alcohol and caffeine and for your ability to take 'em or leave 'em.
Why should I be humble ?
Regards
Mick
You said
"So, Mick, I'd like to read something from you with a little bit of humility...some gratitude for having the money to indulge your desires for alcohol and caffeine and for your ability to take 'em or leave 'em.
Why should I be humble ?
Regards
Mick
Posted on: 24 January 2005 by Markus S
I have to admit that the Opium/China thing is a black hole in my knowledge of history. Can anyone recommend a good book about it?