Zidane (aka England 1 France 2)

Posted by: long-time-dead on 13 June 2004

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Just as the commentators were w**king (insert OR or AN as applicable) themselves into a state of euphoria and calling the players HEROES (Did they forget the D-Day celebrations ?), up steps ZZ.

Feckin' magic !!!!!

[This message was edited by long-time-dead on Sun 13 June 2004 at 21:47.]

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by TomK

quote:
Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:

There is a certain type of Scot who defines Scotland and Scottishness entirely in terms of its relationship to England. They always come across as either petty and bitter and/or else borderline mentalists. (Although the English are obviously on very dodgy ground when it comes to perverted forms of nationalism).

You're right Matthew and it's not a very attractive characteristic. "Stand up if you hate England" is still sung regularly at Scotland matches although thankfully it doesn't get the reaction it used to. Taking some delight in the England football team being beaten is entirely different from hating the entire English nation. I read occasional articles about alleged racism against English people up here but frankly I'm sceptical. I think by and large English people are well accepted and integrated into Scottish society. Any of you Englanders with any personal experience of this?

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by BrianD

As I said in the more interesting thread about Euro 2004, England deserved to lose last night so I'm not an Englishman who can't see the real picture.

Thought I'd post in this thread though if only to point out that I can't imagine starting a thread because Scotland lost.

Sad bastards.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by DLF

quote:
It's your press and media. That's where the arrogance is.

You need to avoid the rags (and ITV pundits).

Fiver

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by Peter C

Scotland to their credit were only 90 minutes away from Euro 2004.

Unfortunately that was the night they turned in their worst performance.

It would have been interesting to see Scotland there and Wales too; but it wasn't to be.

Lets face it, Croatia and Switzerland didn't impress.

Latvia will be interesting to watch against their 3 opponents.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly

Interesting to note that the gloating Jock contingent are now posting in a more considered manner hoping that no one remembers the first few comments made at the thread head.

I work with a flame-headed Scotsman, during the World Cup he took great delight in cheering whoever England played. He tried and tried but eventually gave up when he realised that we just felt sorry for him feeling the need to rant like this.

He has since grown up and this morning, only mentioned the words "England-France" once, an hour into the day.

Regards

Mike

Spending money I don't have on things I don't need.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by TomK

quote:
Originally posted by mike lacey:
Interesting to note that the gloating Jock contingent are now posting in a more considered manner hoping that no one remembers the first few comments made at the thread head.

Sorry to disappoint you Mike but does it ever occur to you that perhaps we were having a bit of fun at your expense and it's just a bit boring now. You swallowed the bait hook line and sinker and I for one found your outraged responses totally hilarious.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly

quote:
Originally posted by TomK:
Sorry to disappoint you Mike but does it ever occur to you that perhaps we were having a bit of fun at your expense and it's just a bit boring now. You swallowed the bait hook line and sinker and I for one found your outraged responses totally hilarious.

Sound good, but its actually crap.

Your response is actually the next line that m'colleague came out with when we asked him why he bothered. "Och I'm just having fun " Eventually he grew up.

I did not swallow any bait, you are not some clever Celt just another Jock with an inferiority complex viz. the English.. I just pointed out that the responses where very predictable.

Which they remain.

Mike.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by TomK

quote:
Originally posted by mike lacey:
quote:
Originally posted by TomK:
Sorry to disappoint you Mike but does it ever occur to you that perhaps we were having a bit of fun at your expense and it's just a bit boring now. You swallowed the bait hook line and sinker and I for one found your outraged responses totally hilarious.

Sound good, but its actually crap.

Your response is actually the next line that m'colleague came out with when we asked him why he bothered. "Och I'm just having fun "

I did not swallow any bait, you are not some clever Celt just another Jock with an inferiority complex viz. the English.. I just pointed out that the responses where very predictable.

Which they remain.

Mike.

You're so wrapped up in your own importance you just don't get it do you. We were taking the pish and you didn't realise it. We just kept stirring the pot and sat back and waited for the outraged responses. It was the funniest thing I've seen in ages. You in particular bit so hard you nearly pulled me off the boat. Recognise this?

"And your knowledge of baiting is so lacking that you don't appear to know that we all know that Scotland are, in fact, not there."

You've been had. Last night's result just keeps getting more enjoyable with every pompous post like this.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by count.d

TomK,

You're starting to sound like Stallion.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by Bhoyo

Nick:

Something along these lines, or the previously mooted Atlantic League, will happen. Scotland, Holland, the Scandinavian countries and Belgium all have decent clubs operating in Mickey Mouse leagues. They see the money flowing into England, Spain, Italy and Germany and they want to join the party.

At the same time, I would hate to see Celtic or the other mob deserting Scotland altogether.

Anyway, this is all too gentlemanly for this thread!

Davie

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by TomK

quote:
Originally posted by count.d:
TomK,

You're starting to sound like Stallion.

Sorry count.d, you'll need to explain that one.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by TomK

Davie,
I think it's got to happen for us both because we're going nowhere in the cesspool that's the SPL. And it's also got to be a requirement that folk like Lex Gold ("The SPL has handled this affair in an effective and efficient manner" when quizzed about Thistlegate!!) are nowhere to be seen when it finally does happen.

Incidentally, what about yer man's first goal tonight? And what about the commentator's comment "could he have scored goals in the Premiership?". Sums up what we've been discussing here. He's obviously scored a barrowload not only in the SPL, but in the Champions League, EUFA Cup, World Cup, and European Championship but these ignorant twats have to ask whether he could have scored in England!

In with anger, out with love.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by Bhoyo

Tom:

Lex Gold is a national disgrace.

I've given up listening to bloody commentators. I like to think they embarrass the decent English people too - and there are plenty of 'em on this forum.

I'd love to see Sweden and the King do well in this tournament, but it hurts that he won't be wearing the hoops again. Sigh...

Davie

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by Steve G

quote:
Originally posted by mike lacey:
I did not swallow any bait, you are not some clever Celt just another Jock with an inferiority complex viz. the English.

I'm 50% English/50% Scottish though - so it doesn't work with me, even were it true (which it's not).

Go on then - from the dizzy heights of your superiority please explain why England were singing "Are you Scotland in disguise to the French" and at the same time justify why the Scots should be supporting England.

[This message was edited by Steve G on Tue 15 June 2004 at 10:50.]

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by Steve G

quote:
Originally posted by Bhoyo:
Tom:

Lex Gold is a national disgrace.

Agreed.

quote:
I'd love to see Sweden and the King do well in this tournament, but it hurts that he won't be wearing the hoops again. Sigh...

Sweet.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by Steve G

quote:
Originally posted by TomK:
Incidentally, what about yer man's first goal tonight? And what about the commentator's comment "could he have scored goals in the Premiership?". Sums up what we've been discussing here.

The commentator handled that quite badly because it seemed that he was aware of Larssons record and probably did think that he'd have done a job in England.

Larsson is a good striker (the finishes last night being typical of the sort of thing us Rangers fans have been having to put up with for a while), he's technically very competent and his off the ball movement is good (although the marking from the Bulgarian defence were very poor) plus he works hard. That'd add up to goals in any competition IMHO.

Posted on: 14 June 2004 by Top Cat

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Larsson is a good striker (the finishes last night being typical of the sort of thing us Rangers fans have been having to put up with for a while), he's technically very competent and his off the ball movement is good (although the marking from the Bulgarian defence were very poor) plus he works hard. That'd add up to goals in any competition IMHO.

Understatement of the day.

Dear Henrik will be missed (except by the 'dark side')

John