The short Jaw

Posted by: NB on 04 May 2004

Well it’s been over a year and as one or two forum members have asked for a summary, here it is;

It all started when I up-graded my CDX/XPS 82/hi/180 Ruark Equinox’s with what I wanted to be the best hi-fi I could realistically afford. It was supposed to be a fit and forget for the next 20 years sistem.

Anyway, the source was easy; the CDS3 is simply the best CD player on the market.

The amp was almost as easy; a 552/500 was £21K and well out of my price range so I settled for the next best a 252/super/300. I had toyed with a 250 instead of the 300, as it was half the price and almost the same in performance.

The speakers were always going to be the difficult part but Naim had just released the new SL2 and at £5k it seemed to be the perfect answer. I purchased the electronics but as I hadn’t heard the SL2’s I arranged an extended home dem.

I had the SL2’s for a lot longer than I ever imagined but found them very frustrating. Their clarity, speed and openness were stunning, yet they didn’t have the weight and scale to satisfy my musical tastes.

After much consideration, the next speaker I heard at home were the Neat Ultimatum 9’s. Completely different, not as open but more balanced and a much bigger sound.

Next up were the Naim NBL’s with all the benefits of the SL2’s but with plenty more weight and scale.

For me it was a simple choice from the moment I first heard the Neat’s, they were simply stunning, everything was effortless. The Neats just disappeared in front of me and painted a picture of the music in front of me. Priceless!

Since then I have tried Chord Cable which gave more detail but less prat.

Naim Chips were tried, they killed the bass.

Now that everything was sorted I thought I could finally sit back and enjoy the music!

How wrong!

First to change was the listening room. I had a seventeen foot by fourteen foot listening room in an old bungalow. This was up-graded to a 21 foot by 14-foot lounge in a three-year-old detached house. This gave a huge increase in sound quality due to more space and a better mains quality.

Then just when I thought I had the perfect sistem, I had the opportunity to up-grade to a 552. I couldn’t resist. The difference between the 252 and 552 is HUGE. The 552 made my old sistem look slow and sluggish. It added so much life and excitement, I was shocked.

My last experiment was to try Nordost Red Dawn Speaker cable. I personally think the Nordost has opened up the sound window much more. The extremities have been improved and I think its livened up the music a little more, but its early days yet.

So there we are, a quick summary of the Jaw’s first year, it’s been fun and I have learned a lot. The biggest thing I have learned is there is no substitute for getting equipment home and listening to it yourself. The other thing I have learned is to ignore other people’s preconceptions and listen for yourself.

Plans for the future, well there’s the mains to sort out hopefully sooner than latter, then there’s a second 300 to add. After that who knows?

Regards


NB
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by Edouard
interesting!
If I understood well your present system is CDS3/552/250mk2/NeatUltimatum 9'
...I guess the next step should be the 500 instead of the 300...

Ultimatun 9 are VERY tall speaker...you can't miss them...how do they fit in your room?

Did you try the NeatUltimatum 5' or 7'
Just looking for new speaker matching CDS3/252/250mk2...

how much are Neat Ultimatum 5'- 7' - 9'...in UK?
are they as peaky as the SBL or SL2 to instal in the room?

regards

Edouard
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by NB
HI Edouard,

here is a phot which shown where the speakers are in my room, YOu have missunderstood, my current sistem is CDS3/552/super/300/Ultimatum's.



I didn't hear the MF5's or MF7's I went straight for the biggest. I understand they don't give much away from the MF9's appart form the sence of size and scale.

With hindsight I would recommend that you go for the MF7's or 5's as you really need a 552 to get the best out of the MF9's.

Comparred to the SL2's the Neats are far more forgiving with regards to placement.


Regards


NB
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by seagull
"After that who knows?"

Sit back and enjoy for the next 20 years?
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by NB
Good advice Wink
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by tartarus
Yep,

Nice summary. Though the MF9's look like the size of Nelsons' column, how tall are they?

I find the musical recordings are the driver behind most of the "hi-fi" presentation. Yep, equipment, room, and enviromental factors play a large part. If you have a bad/inadequete recording, there is no way can you find the missing parts later in the chain.

Have fun!
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by Edouard
Thanks NB! the MF9's are really impressive speakers really tall speakers...a least as tall as the Dynaudio...have you listen to the Dynaudio...maybe the Confidence?

can you tell me the MF5 and 7's prices in UK...at least you should know the MF9's
must be pretty expensive...

What the colour finishing of yours?
Did you take out the front pannel that hide the speakers...in order to get a more transparent sound?

Aren't your speakers to close too the wall and the spacing between them a bit short?
Are they easy to place?...in your case you don't have much option I guess.

...your desk seems to be in the dinning room...you should put it in the living room so you can work your music!

cheers

Edouard
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by NB
Tartarus,

The speakers are five foot tall and I agree with your comments on bad recordings and listening rooms etc.

Edouard,

the prices are about £5k for the fives and about £7k for the sevens and the nines are about £9k (cough).

The finish of my Neats are beech, and they come without front grills. If they did then I would have removed them.

My speakers are a little too closeto the side walls and far to close to each other but as thats the only place I can put them then thats the best I can do!

Beleive it or not but there is no space in the living room for the computer desk. Sadly when I am on the computer desk the sound is awefull as I am behind the speakers.

But in front of the speaker the sound is wonderful.


Regards


NB
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by Evan D. Jay
NB,

You have a pm.

Evan
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by NB
Evan,

You have a reply,

Regards


NB
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by woody
NB, are you married? If so, don't you get complaints about the cable snaking across the floor?

-- woody
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by NB
Woody,

No, but I live with my partner and her two boys.

Since taking the photo I have placed a trunk and mat over the speaker cable so you can't see it.

We wouldn't want the little angel's falling over the cable and hurting themselves would we?

Regards


NB
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by JonR
NB,

Those speakers look a lot bigger than 5 ft in your photo - I'm 5'10 and they look as if they would tower over me!

If I were to go Neat, then MFS's are probably about the limit for my little pad.

BTW, how about a pic of your super-dooper system so us lowly 5-series owners can gawp in admiration/frustration..??! Big Grin

Regards,

JonR
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by NB
Jon,

Here's a photo of the electronics as requested. I will get some more up to date photo's on the forum soon.

FWIW the Neats are only five foot tall they are just deceptive.

The MFS's a re a wonderful pair of speakers and definately worth considering,

Regards


NB
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by NB
lets try again
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by JonR
Thanks NB,

Much appreciated!

Regards,

JonR
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by seagull
NB,

There is a danger of this thread growing like the original, a bit like JAWS II.
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by Richard P
Can we deduce that the initials 'NB' stand for "No Budget"? Wink

Richard
Posted on: 04 May 2004 by NB
Quote:-

There is a danger of this thread growing like the original, a bit like JAWS II.
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Seagull I am aiming for at least two years out of this one Big Grin

Regards

NB