Spur quandary

Posted by: Edouard S. on 11 November 2004

I have asked advice about this before, and have gotten some, which has in turn made me ask my electrician (and a couple of other ones) to find out about all possible options here in Switzerland, which I would now like to submit to the forum. I know the prevailing advice (including by Naim) is to install 10mm square spurs, 20 or 30 amps, but my big problem is finding a wall socket that will adapt to such a cable. I do not know how you guys manage elsewhere, but here in Switzerland there is no such approved wall socket available (and I do want to stick to approved equipment), save maybe for large and very ugly industrial type ones that would have to be fitted on the wall rather than in the wall. In addition, the maximum rated wall socket allowed here is 16 amp. Wall sockets here have no fuses, and I will only install one spur for now (I am well aware of the fact that several spurs would be better, as well as a seperate consumer unit).

The electrician is now completing work in our house, and I have to make a fast decision. Here are my options :

1) Install a 2.5mm square (rigid) cable, connected to a 16 amp wall socket.

2) Install a 4mm flexible cable, connected to the older type of wall socket, where you screw in the wire rather than clamp it in as is the case with the regular wall sockets (hence the need for flexible wire). My electrician says this kind of wire would have better conductivity. Another electrician would favor the aforementionned 2.5mm square rigid one, saying it is the other way round ! My electrician also says the flexible cable creates less magnetic disturbances.

3) Another electrician suggested I use 6mm square (rigid) wire, which could be fitted on a specific type of wall socket, but that would mean trimming it some, maybe shaving of a few strands to make it fit in. My electrician winces at the prospect, thinks it may cause background noise.

Please help, as I have no technical knowledge and can not make an informed decision ! My electrician is noncommital, as he thinks I am nuts anyways.

Thanks,

Edouard S.
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by andy c
Eduard,
can you send me via e-mail a picture of the wall sockets you use at present?

andy c!
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by Edouard S.
Andy,

I don't use wall sockets at present for the Naim system, as I will only be installing the system in our new home, in which we will be moving at the end of the month.

I use regular wall sockets (no fuses in Switzerland) for my present system, but I can't tell you exactly what they are. If the cabling is standard, it would be 1,5mm cable.

Edouard S.
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by Ade Archer
quote:
I am well aware of the fact that several spurs would be better, as well as a seperate consumer unit).

Not necessarily. You may find one high quality spur more than sufficient.
10mm is awkward but not impossible to manipulate into our standard sized domestic wall sockets (Crabtree) without trimming any strands away.
Our wall sockets do not contain fuses, the fuse is in the plug

Cheers
Ade
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by J.N.
Greetings Edouard S.

My electrician ran 40 amp 'electric cooker' cable from the fuse box through plastic trunking. This looks fairly discreet in a UK home, if it runs parallel to white painted door frames and skirting boards.



At the end, you can see the heavy cable going into a good quality loose unswitched 13 amp double socket. Just hide this behind the equipment.



You will also see an oversized 13 amp plug which will supply 4 IEC mains leads. My system of CDS3/252/300 runs from this one plug.

Hope that helps.

John.
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by Edouard S.
quote:
I find multiple 10mm spurs better but in you situation I'd go with the single 6mm if you can (and if you can't get 10mm to fit).
Tom



Tom and Ade : even if that means trimming the 6mm one ? (Which it seems I will probably have to do if I want to fit it into the socket available here) ?

Edouard S.
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by andy c
HI,
Re the trimming then if thats all you can do then yes. This is because it will still be better than the standard cable you have fitted now.

andy c!
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by Ade Archer
I'm not sure but I'd imagine trimming strands of wire at the end in order to fit it into the socket sort of defeats the object of using nice thick mains cable in the first place.

Ade
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by Edouard S.
quote:
Originally posted by andy c:
HI,
Re the trimming then if thats all you can do then yes. This is because it will still be better than the standard cable you have fitted now.

andy c!


Yes, but also better then non-trimmed 4mm flexible cable ?

Edouard S.
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by Adam Meredith
No duckies - you seem to be well inside the sanity barrier.
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by andy c
quote:
No duckies - you seem to be well inside the sanity barrier.


True, nothing illegal or dangerous has been mentioneed on this thread yet... Big Grin
Posted on: 11 November 2004 by Edouard S.
Correction : the 6mm cable would also be flexible.

So it comes down to this : trimmed 6mm Vs untrimmed 4mm.

The question is therefore : does trimming the 6mm defeat it's purpose to the point that an untrimmed 4mm would be preferable, or not ?

Edouard S.