A new road bike

Posted by: Justin on 07 June 2004

Of course this is the last thread that people want to read right now, but I had to post something.

Reading the accounts of Bob Edwards inspired me to spend the last week riding on the road through our Metroparks rather than the bike/walk trail. It has been instructive, and quite frankly, preferable to the trail. In that single week (from day one to day 7) my speed had improved from an average of 15 mph to 16.5 mph and I've dropped a genuine 4 pounds (NOT water weight, as I've been drinking plenty). The only part that sucked is that one two seperate occassions in a single week some asshole reached out of his car in hit me on the back. I got the plate number on the second one, and filed a complaint with the police. So, I'll let you all know how that goes. That's a battery involving an automobile, which I think may be a felony. Have to look that up.

Anyway, all these super fast guys passing me on their lycra and spandex had induced me to step once again into my bike shop. I tried the Specialized Allez and liked it ok (BTW, Bob, the saddle on that bike is NOT the one on the Sirrus - the Allez saddle is the most uncomfortable saddle I have ever sat on), but felt the Trek geometry was simply more to my taste.

The $1000 Specialize had 105 shifters, front and rear deraillers. The breakset was a 105 knockoff (reputed to be identical - though the salesperson could not confirm they were 105 OEM's). Fork and rear stays were carbon fiber. $1600 in a trek got you 105 brakes, but Ultegra rear and fronts (which are higher than 105, as I understand).

Anyway, I'm leaning towards whatever about $750 in a trek buys me, which is the 1200. uses Tiagra and Ultegra front and rear, with 105 shifters and the knockoff allow brakes. I can't see myself justifying more than this.

I was suprised to be told that the same money in a Cannondale does not buy a bike with the same quality of components. Apparently, because the fraims are made in the USA, the whole bike is a poorer value unless you really appreciate the fraim.

Bob, do you have a heart rate monitor?

Judd
Posted on: 07 June 2004 by Justin
I should probably add that my horizon for this new bike is 15 pounds further down the road. A prize, as it were.

Judd
Posted on: 07 June 2004 by ErikL
Both Trek and Cannondale bikes are made in the US (Cdale- RI, PA; Trek- WI). Cannondale has always charged a premium for their bikes. Shimano doesn't sell as a private label.

I recommend also trying a steel frame just to see what you think. You may prefer its feel as a buddy did last week, after testing a LeMond (Trek) and Cannondale. Like you, he's new to regular road riding for fitness.

FWIW I used a Polar heart monitor years ago.
Posted on: 08 June 2004 by Dan M
Judd,

I second Ludders recommendation -- make sure you ride a steel frame before parting with cash.

re HRM's you may want to read what I said in the bike computer thread.

cheers

Dan
Posted on: 08 June 2004 by Bob Edwards
Judd--

I'd third the recommendation to try a steel frame--it is WAY more comfortable (at least to me) when riding. As Dan M put it, "Steel is where the party's at..." I'm doing a century this weekend and in spinning up to it I am a lot less fatigued and hurting than I was when on my old Trek 1000 (now departed via eBay).

I looked at the Trek website last night and couldn't believe some of the mishmash of componentry they use..... I would say this, though....try riding the 2200--it's aluminum but has carbon seat stays. MUCH more comfortable than the 1000/1200/1500. I honestly don't think the 1200 represents a significant step over what you have now.

I, of course, would suggest trying a Bianchi, since I just got one. MUCH smoother/faster than the 1000 that it replaced and much easier/more comfortable to ride than then the 2200/2300 I test rode.

I don't have a heart monitor--I just take my pulse on occasion. When I left the Army my resting heart rate was 28! I had to ask the cardiologist if that didn't mean I was dead... ;-)

Congrats on the weight loss....and happy to have been a tiny part of inspiration!

Best,

Bob
Posted on: 08 June 2004 by Justin
Thanks bob and ludders.

I'm doing a longer (for me) ride today and when I get back and I will have a look at the Bianchi. The guy at the shop DID say that the Specialized did have better components on it compared to a same priced Trek all the way up until about $1600, which is when, apparently, the trek gets a nicer fraim. At $750 or so, the Specialized has carbon fork and seat-stay.

Anyway, it is hot as hell here today and so I expect this one to be a bear. I'm going to really concentrate while I ride today to see what it is about my sirrus that i think can be improved.

Judd
Posted on: 08 June 2004 by Tim Jones
Bob -

28? That was Miguel Indurain's resting heart rate. You coulda been a contender! Perhap you still could...

Tim
Posted on: 08 June 2004 by Bob Edwards
Tim--

It was 28... I've got a copy of my Army discharge medical report somewhere. I was a bit alarmed--that sounded TOO low, but the cardiologist just said it meant I was in amazing condition (which I was).

A contenda? Maybe back then--that was in 1993. At my last physical (lat year) it was 46, which still managed to impress my doctor. Maybe it is time for me to try some Cat 5 or similar stuff...

Best,

Bob
Posted on: 08 June 2004 by matthewr
If it's 46 in Denver then at sea level you'll be like some kind of Uberman.
Posted on: 08 June 2004 by ErikL
Judd,

Specializeds always have great spec on paper, kind of like NAD amps. An aluminum frame with carbon stays and fork isn't better than an aluminum or steel frame by default. Let test rides judge for you.
Posted on: 08 June 2004 by Bob Edwards
Matthew--

It was 28 at 6000' in Colorado Springs...no wonder I could run so well when I visited my parents in New Jersey! (Elev. ~250'"

Judd--

Something Ludwig just wrote triggered this--Specialized road bikes seem to be less than the sum of their parts. IMO only, obviously. If you can try a Bianchi, try the Imola and maybe the Eros. I also liked the new 2200--the one with carbon stays. I thought it a major advance over the 1000.

Best,

Bob