Lp12 puts in shadow CDi
Posted by: Arye_Gur on 19 October 2000
I heard this turntable many times in demonstrations and I knew it is a good one - but I didn't know HOW good it is until now.
With a Valhala/Ittok/Asak (out of my old axis) there is no doubt in my mind that this turntable puts in a shadow my CDi - and it costs half of the price (I bought them both as used ).
Arie
[This message was edited by Arie_Gur on FRIDAY 20 October 2000 at 10:45.]
I am the guy and I was wrong.
Arie
I haven't experienced many hifi problems worse than a ruined, beloved, irreplaceable LP.
Naim dealer assembeled the turntable for me.
I'd talked with him after you asked me about the cart at the first time. He told me that there is no time limitation for the cart as long as it sounds well. According to him even the slightly
damage to the cart is clearly audible and therefore there is no need to touch it yet.
If it sounds wrong - I'll consider rebuilding it as I understand it is cheaper than buying a good new one.
As I trust Naim dealer ears (don't talk about mine....) I know the cart is ok now.
Again, about damaging the records, he says that it is correlated to sound quality of the cart.
As long as the sound comes out of the cart is ok, the cart will not damage the record - and if there is a slightly fall in sound quality - it may damage the record and that is with no link to the age of the cart.
If you know Naim dealer is wrong while telling me these facts, please let me know.
Arie
Is your ASAK new or used? I am wondering if it is really an ASAK - with a black tin-metal body and a prominent red button/nose on the front? ASAKs have not been made for well over 10 years and were Linn's first MC cartridge. A NOS (new, old stock) cartridge would be fine. A rebuilt one, probably fine too. A used one in very good condition that has not been rebuilt would be very rare.
By the way, I used several ASAKs over several years. They lasted about one year each with regular use (2-3 hours a day).
Paul
The asak looks like you describe it.
The story goes this way - as I'm divorced, the woman who was my wife broke the turntable (axis)
arm and the cart needle. Two years ago when I got the stereo system I took the axis to Naim dealer who put a new arm (basik) and the asak as a used one.
I don't know for how long it was in use but as I say many times I trust Naim dealer. I don't use the turntable 2 hours a day (most of the time I listen to the radio, and as you can figure especially these days almost all the people in Israel are listening to the radio....) so yours 1 year is maybe 5 years for me.
The main question is it if Naim dealer is right when telling that as long as the cart sounds good there is no need to replace it no metter how old it is.
Arie
Several years ago I bought a Linn K9. My dealer gave me a little pamphlet from Linn which talked of replacing styli on the basis of, primarily, usage (that is, it assumed no mistreatment of or damage to the stylus), and replacing the cartridge based on wall clock time. That is, it recommended replacing the cart even if it wasn't played because of suspension deterioration. I THINK (i.e. not sure) that it recommended a 3-4 year life for a cartridge. The pamphlet was, if I remember right, relevant to the Linn MMs and MCs.
As for damage not occurring unless there's audible deterioration of sound, that is a direct contradiction of the practices preached in hifi mags when LP was the main game in town. My own experience is that some of my older records sounded fine until I got a new cartridge.
But my experience may not be typical.
Regards.
Phil
While listening several days to my new 72, I feel I misjudged the CDi. Although the 72 improves the LP12 too - I think the CDi sounds now much more better then with the Nait 3. I don't know why but that is how I feel. So now to my opinion I should say - with a Nait 3 the LP12 puts in a shadow the CDi, with the 72, the CDi is much more plasant to listen to than with the Nait 3 and it gives the LP12 a good fight.
Arie