Jeff Buckley - Grace: Anniversary Ed.
Posted by: Jason Milner on 25 September 2004
Guys
I've just spotted the "10th Anniversary Legacy Edition" of Grace & am umming & ahhing over whether to buy that version, or just the plain CD. AFAICT, the 10th anniversary edition is remastered from the original tapes, so should be the better quality, but then again, do I really want / need the 2 discs of extras?
Alternately, I could go for a remastered single disc copy - does anyone know if there is such a thing? (I tried Amazon, but there wasn't much info on the single disc version).
Any suggestions?
thanks,
J
I've just spotted the "10th Anniversary Legacy Edition" of Grace & am umming & ahhing over whether to buy that version, or just the plain CD. AFAICT, the 10th anniversary edition is remastered from the original tapes, so should be the better quality, but then again, do I really want / need the 2 discs of extras?
Alternately, I could go for a remastered single disc copy - does anyone know if there is such a thing? (I tried Amazon, but there wasn't much info on the single disc version).
Any suggestions?
thanks,
J
Posted on: 25 September 2004 by Rasher
Good question
IMHO, it has to be the initial proper old previously relaesed CD.
Do you buy DVD movies? How often do you watch the commentaries, extra deleted scenes blah blah blah...never ? If you were there at the release of the movie what do you get? - the straight movie.
Get the straight CD. If it becomes the love of your life and you need to go deeper - get the enhanced version with all the bells & whistles - but it is a distraction from what was originally intended by the guy himself.
But I'm a purist - so that's just my opinion.
IMHO, it has to be the initial proper old previously relaesed CD.
Do you buy DVD movies? How often do you watch the commentaries, extra deleted scenes blah blah blah...never ? If you were there at the release of the movie what do you get? - the straight movie.
Get the straight CD. If it becomes the love of your life and you need to go deeper - get the enhanced version with all the bells & whistles - but it is a distraction from what was originally intended by the guy himself.
But I'm a purist - so that's just my opinion.
Posted on: 26 September 2004 by Jason Milner
Thanks Rasher
I take your point re the "extras". I guess what I really want to know is is the basic album on the bells & whistles version a better recording than on the standard CD. If it is then I'll bear the extra cost & (probably) ignore the extras, but if I can get that version anyway without the extras, then I'll save myself a few quid.
Do you know anyone that's compared the two?
cheers,
J
I take your point re the "extras". I guess what I really want to know is is the basic album on the bells & whistles version a better recording than on the standard CD. If it is then I'll bear the extra cost & (probably) ignore the extras, but if I can get that version anyway without the extras, then I'll save myself a few quid.
Do you know anyone that's compared the two?
cheers,
J
Posted on: 26 September 2004 by Spock
Jason
I would stick with the original, perfectly good recording imo. If you want bells and whistles I would invest in the "Live at Sin-e" legacy edition instead. One man and a guitar don't get much better than this.
Regards
Spock
I would stick with the original, perfectly good recording imo. If you want bells and whistles I would invest in the "Live at Sin-e" legacy edition instead. One man and a guitar don't get much better than this.
Regards
Spock
Posted on: 28 September 2004 by Top Cat
I'm with Liquidken on this one: having both the cd and the Simply Vinyl 180g, I'd say that the vinyl really does go further. HOwever, Grace is not by any means a poorly mastered album and any re-mastering might be messing for messing's sake.
Personally, I find the constant milking of the (Jeff) Buckley catalogue a bit sad. The poor lad made a superlative album, which he himself was very happy with in his own lifetime. Is it fair to fart around with it now, without his input? Would he have liked that? I dunno, but I doubt I'll be buying the anniversary ed.
John
Personally, I find the constant milking of the (Jeff) Buckley catalogue a bit sad. The poor lad made a superlative album, which he himself was very happy with in his own lifetime. Is it fair to fart around with it now, without his input? Would he have liked that? I dunno, but I doubt I'll be buying the anniversary ed.
John
Posted on: 28 September 2004 by Mike Hughes
At the risk of being a teensy bit controversial (although not that much) dare I say that much as I enjoyed Jeff Buckley live and still enjoy the occasional dip into Grace it still stands IMHO as one of the most over-rated albums of all time.
Don't get me wrong. It is clearly a good album but it is not "superlative" (we could start a whole new debate about that word). Rather it is diverse to the detriment of enjoying it as a whole; it contains more than several songs that could best be described as promising or average and the production is flat and destroys what should have been terriffic dynamics (yes, I have heard several vinyl and CD versions).
Moreover, anyone who rates Buckleys version of Hallellulah needs to be pinned to a wall and made to listen to the John Cale version, wherein he makes the song so much his own Leonard is still pleading to have it back.
Mike
Don't get me wrong. It is clearly a good album but it is not "superlative" (we could start a whole new debate about that word). Rather it is diverse to the detriment of enjoying it as a whole; it contains more than several songs that could best be described as promising or average and the production is flat and destroys what should have been terriffic dynamics (yes, I have heard several vinyl and CD versions).
Moreover, anyone who rates Buckleys version of Hallellulah needs to be pinned to a wall and made to listen to the John Cale version, wherein he makes the song so much his own Leonard is still pleading to have it back.
Mike
Posted on: 28 September 2004 by O
I agree that 'Grace' is over-rated. I think if JB had lived he would have made better albums, and people would see 'Grace' for what it is - a promising debut from an artist who was going to do better things.
Does anyone else find the constant flogging of his legacy a bit disturbing? I mean I know his mother is in control of his estate, but it does seem like music corporations have found a great way of making shedloads of cash off the back of a dead man.
o
www.owenduff.co.uk
Does anyone else find the constant flogging of his legacy a bit disturbing? I mean I know his mother is in control of his estate, but it does seem like music corporations have found a great way of making shedloads of cash off the back of a dead man.
o
www.owenduff.co.uk
Posted on: 28 September 2004 by BigH47
quote:
but it does seem like music corporations have found a great way of making shedloads of cash off the back of a dead man.
nothing new there then, if they had to rely on "live" artists they might struggle sometimes with some of the crap they sign up..
Posted on: 29 September 2004 by Jason Milner
Ok
I've done some digging, & found that, the remastering was done by none other than the great George Marino. Unfortunately I've never heard of him, so I'm inclined to take Top Cat's advice on this one & stick with the original. Trying to get through to play.com to buy it now, but the site appears to be down, so I'll have another go later.
Thanks all,
J
PS - Mike - which LP is the John Cale version of Hallelujah on?
I've done some digging, & found that, the remastering was done by none other than the great George Marino. Unfortunately I've never heard of him, so I'm inclined to take Top Cat's advice on this one & stick with the original. Trying to get through to play.com to buy it now, but the site appears to be down, so I'll have another go later.
Thanks all,
J
PS - Mike - which LP is the John Cale version of Hallelujah on?
Posted on: 29 September 2004 by Spock
quote:
PS - Mike - which LP is the John Cale version of Hallelujah on?
Fragments of a rainy season
Spock
Posted on: 30 September 2004 by Jason Milner
Thanks Spock 
J
J
Posted on: 03 October 2004 by Mike Hughes
Is it?
The version I have is on a Leonard Cohen tribute album called 'I'm Your Fan'. One of the few decent things on it too.
Mike
PS: Off to finally get Fragments NOW!!!
The version I have is on a Leonard Cohen tribute album called 'I'm Your Fan'. One of the few decent things on it too.
Mike
PS: Off to finally get Fragments NOW!!!
Posted on: 06 October 2004 by Thomas Breding
Seems like I´m the only one who actually bought the Legacy edition then...
The "bonus" cd contains some really good stuff and some not so interesting tracks. The DVD has some videos I hadn´t seen before, as well as an extended interview with Jeff from the period when they promoted Grace.
Disc 2
1 Forget Her
2 Dream Brother alternative version
3 Lost Highway
4 Alligator Wine
5 Mama, You Been On My Mind
6 Parchman Farm Blues/ Preachin' Blues (Up Jumped The Devil)
7 The Other Woman
8 Kanga-Roo
9 I Want Someone Badly
10 Eternal Life
11 Kick Out The Jams
12 Dream Brother
DVD:
1 Grace
2 Last Goodbye
3 So Real
4 Eternal Life
5 Forget Her
I agree that Grace as an album may be overrated, but it really shows the potential that Jeff had. Does the remasterd version sound better than the original? Well, I can´t really hear a difference...
The best album is IMO the Legacy Edition of Sin-E.
:-) Thomas
The "bonus" cd contains some really good stuff and some not so interesting tracks. The DVD has some videos I hadn´t seen before, as well as an extended interview with Jeff from the period when they promoted Grace.
Disc 2
1 Forget Her
2 Dream Brother alternative version
3 Lost Highway
4 Alligator Wine
5 Mama, You Been On My Mind
6 Parchman Farm Blues/ Preachin' Blues (Up Jumped The Devil)
7 The Other Woman
8 Kanga-Roo
9 I Want Someone Badly
10 Eternal Life
11 Kick Out The Jams
12 Dream Brother
DVD:
1 Grace
2 Last Goodbye
3 So Real
4 Eternal Life
5 Forget Her
I agree that Grace as an album may be overrated, but it really shows the potential that Jeff had. Does the remasterd version sound better than the original? Well, I can´t really hear a difference...
The best album is IMO the Legacy Edition of Sin-E.
:-) Thomas