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Posted by: bob atherton on 30 November 2000

I have waited a few weeks before posting my findings with Hutter. First impressions can be deceptive & I really wanted to get the measure of these stands.

My previous support arrangement was a bit of a mixed bag. The TT & CD were on Mana. The tuner & amps on modified Tripod & Greenline. I had always been fairly satisfied with the old setup, but guessed that latent potential in the hardware was not being realised.

After about a year of listening to different stands & also listening to peoples opinions that I respect my short list was either all Mana or all Hutter. I plumped for Hutter. Had I gone for Mana I doubt if I would be writing this now as plenty of fine words on that subject have graced this forum.

I ended up buying 2 stacks each comprising of hi fi base & 4 extra shelves. I chose to have 50mm spacers inbetween the shelves, giving a distance between shelves of 140mm, ideal for Naim boxes. Assembly was simplicity itself. Level the sub base, make sure the spikes are tight (no tuning here) & add the shelves. I also connected the 2 stacks with lateral 50mm spacers. Total cost of all this including shipping from Longtone Hifi in Vienna was just under 1100 UKP.

At this time my SNAXO & a Hicap were at Naim for service, so the system was in a somewhat smaller scale passive mode, although I was still using both 250's, a bit like a pair of 125's .

My initial reaction was quite favourable, but there was an annoying edge to the sound, a bit like when my Mana was not in tune. My instinct told me that the cause were the lateral joining bars, so I tried the 2 stands without them. Immediately the edge vanished & incredible music filled my sitting room.

I lived with the passive system for 2 weeks before the boxes came back from Salisbury. In that time the stands improved almost daily. I guess because they are made of wood a longer settling in period should be expected. I don't beleive that a quick dem in a shop will give you any idea of the stands ultimate performance.

Over these 2 weeks the bass got tighter & deeper. The top end became more open & natural. At the end of this fortnight the system had never sounded so good & was _FAR_ better than the old active one.

The CD player sounded less like a CD player. Vinyl had less surface noise & on all sources the ability to delve deeply into the mix was easy. This ability is not a virtue unless accompanied with cohesion & musical flow. The system had both these in spades. The more music I played I realised that it was now streets ahead of the old active one. Then the SNAXO & Hicap came back from Naim.....

This lifted things up another gear. To be honest probably no greater an improvement than when I went active with my old racks.

I have now lived with a fully Huttered system for only 3 weeks yet I do not have the slightest doubt that my choice of Hutter was the correct one.

The overriding feeling that I have with Hutter is that you can hear, understand & connect with the performance in front of you in a far easier & less fatiguing way than ever before.

when the Hutter first arrived my initial reaction was that the musical improvement was equal to when I got my LP12 back in '85. I felt this could be a bit of a knee jerk reaction to the new presentation. Yet 3 weeks on I still feel the same way.

If you are looking for a very serious rack I think you would be barmy not to check out Hutter.

Bob


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Posted on: 08 December 2000 by Former member
Neil,

As you probably are aware when we do a system review we do swap the kit between two reviewers (look out for a 5 series review next issue) and I think you are right, when the review is as important as the Levinson and CDS2 reviews there could have been some swapping. I will definitely pass this on to the editor.

Naheed,

A Mana review probably should be done purely because of the number of new stands out there which are competing and perhaps we should revisit some of the old favs. Bear in mind that Paul Messenger does use Mana for some (all?) of his system so it is not unrepresented in the reviewers systems.

Cheers

Jason

Posted on: 08 December 2000 by Andrew Randle
Jason,

Glad to hear that HiFi+ is improving. The mag is already very classy. Great photography and well formed reviews (NBL review was excellent, so was the interview with JV).

The only thing is, it needs more quantity, i.e. you guys need to play with more toys.

Ideally, we could do with fixed release dates although I appreciate that doing so would be a massive gamble.

A very cool website too.

Andrew

Andrew Randle
2B || !2B;
4 ^ = ?;

Posted on: 11 December 2000 by Former member
Jason,
You wrote

"Neil, As you probably are aware when we do a system review we do swap the kit between two reviewers (look out for a 5 series review next issue) and I think you are right, when the review is as important as the Levinson and CDS2 reviews there could have been some swapping. I will definitely pass this on to the editor."

Thanks for passing on the message. Thought some background on the reason for my post might be useful. Essentially the reviews of the two products came out at a time when I was thinking of upgrading my CDX. Unfortunetaley it is becoming very difficult (in my neck of the woods i.e. not London) to get to hear all of the various players you may wish to hear at a single dealers. Simple economics on their part. They cannot afford to stock everything. As such a review of the Levinson player by someone who is really into the "Naim sound" would have been helpful to me at the time.

How about getting someone to review the Aurios that someone was on about in one of the support threads a while back? (Always thought that was a kind of cookie but clearly I just cannot spell.)


Regards

Neil

Posted on: 12 December 2000 by MarkEJ
quote:
(from Neil)…where the Naim CDS2 and the Mark Levinson integrated CD player were reviewed. Both were reviewed by adherents to each companies products and not surprisingly got rave reviews.

IIRC, both these reviews were written by Chris Thomas. Would have been a bit pointless to swap... confused

Best;

Mark

(I still don't like this
software very much)

Posted on: 12 December 2000 by Former member
>>IIRC, both these reviews were written by Chris Thomas. Would have been a bit pointless to swap...

.... is a good point! Really shoudl do some homework before opening my trap ...

I thnk somebody said that the reviewer of the Levinson gave it a good review as they were already a fan. This is true as Chris does use a Levinson system but for many years he has also used a Naim system.

I am always surprised when the Levinson stuff is roundly dissed here, **some** of their gear is IMHO very good, unfortunately it needs some skill in finding the good stuff and partnering and setup, same as Naim really, hands up if you have never had a bad Naim dem .... thought so!

Cheers

Jason

Posted on: 12 December 2000 by Dev B
quote:

I am always surprised when the Levinson stuff is roundly dissed here, **some** of their gear is IMHO very good, unfortunately it needs some skill in finding the good stuff and partnering and setup, same as Naim really, hands up if you have never had a bad Naim dem .... thought so!

This is what I feel too. At the shows I have been to I feel Path Premier consistly produce a good sound. Even Jawed (Mr Flat Earth) agrees. I also like the ergonomics of their gear.

Jason, if I may be so bold, what ML pieces have you heard and how does it compare to Naim equivalents? i.e do you think a No 39, 380s and 335 combo is worse/better/different to a CDS2/52/2x135 setup.

cheers

Dev

Posted on: 12 December 2000 by Dev B
In all the discussion on the merits of Quadraspire, Mana and reently Hutter, don't forget about projekt - I think it's the best looking of the lot, it's good value fo money and sounds pretty good too.

Dev
(who added that even though I find standchat boring)

Posted on: 12 December 2000 by Former member
Dev,

actually I find the projekt stands particularly suited to my taste. Could you help me and give me some information about projekt (web site ...)?

thanks

Jean-christophe

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Posted on: 12 December 2000 by Former member
Dev Wrote:
Jason, if I may be so bold, what ML pieces have you heard and how does it compare to Naim equivalents? i.e do you think a No 39, 380s and 335 combo is worse/better/different to a CDS2/52/2x135 setup.

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I wouldn't honestly which bits I have heard at a given time but the dems I have had have always impressed me, ranging from the middle of teh range to near the top (note ML make an amp that equires three phase wiring, and one would imagine a strong floor!) and as you have said the path premiere dems at the shows are great, usually the stars for me. Take Hammersmith, full on system that was superb, very musical AND round-earthish. In fact it might be my "if I won a million" HiFi system, that is assuming Naim aren't about to start selling 10000 pound power amps ... DOH!

Jason