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Where are the "poor" people ?

Posted by: Arye_Gur on 14 October 2000

Most of the members here are owning such expensive
systems that it makes me green of jealous.

Arn't here any members who don't know if to by a Rotel instead of CD5, An Arcam instead of Nait5,
Rega or Kef instead of Credo ?

Arie

Posted on: 16 October 2000 by Arye_Gur
Arun says
quote:

I recently heard a very expensive Krell system fed through Martin Logan Prodigy speakers. The Krell had a huge soundstage and actually sounded nice, but I still prefer the Naim sound.

I think it is the first time I read here someone says good words about a system that can be a competitor to Naim.

And Arun, thank you for welcoming me to the forum.

Arie

Posted on: 16 October 2000 by Arun Mehan
Arie, you're giving me more credit than I deserve, not that I don't appreciate it, but there have been many other people on this conference who prefer other components to Naim. But I really think the new Krell CAST system is great sounding especially with the Martin Logan Prodigy speakers. It might not be as quick as the Naim equivalent, but it does other things better. Unfortunately, if you think Naim is expensive, wait until you see the price tag of this stuff, it's out of this world. Interestingly enough, I'm beginning to think they got the idea from Naim and Linn as the basis of the CAST system is Krell-designed interconnects and speaker cables. But I must add that the first time I heard a Naim system, my foot started tapping on its own and I began snapping my fingers to the beat (Joe "Flat Earth" Petrik was quick to point that out!). That didn't happen with the Krell system. Again, personal choice. Tell you what, when we both become rich, how about we buy both a top Naim system and a top Krell system and then we'll show these rich guys who's really boss by having the best of both worlds! But honestly, the guys/gals on this conference really are open to GOOD hifi sytems, especially those that sound musical. These guys really know their stuff and are very open-minded. Trust me, I've been lurking for quite some time now and a nicer bunch of audiophiles can't be found elsewhere.

Vuk, it must be quite a burden to be Naim central for all of Canada I think you're handling the responsibility quite well. Maybe Joe left because he didn't want me at his apartment all the time demonstrating his hifi. I guess this means I'll be visiting you from now on, so be ready. Also there's Mr. Antonelli in Windsor. BTW Dave, what did you do with those Albions? Oh Vuk, I really want to hear the 500 so can you have one by Christmas??? That way, it'll be a gift for you and me

Rico, don't you think Vuk has enough Snappy's already! He doesn't need anymore.

John, I didn't know there was a hifi shop in Sarnia that sold Naim. Then again, I'm fairly new to this addiction. Montreal eh? I wonder where the biggest audiophile community and Naimophile community is in our large country, I just assumed TO had the most audiophiles (Mike Hanson is the Naim representative there I assume). I'm still surprised there are Canadians who can afford Naim equipment with our worthless dollar and terrible taxes.

If anyone wants to hear a great sounding Onkyo/KEF combination, you're always welcome to stop by.

Posted on: 16 October 2000 by Former member
Arun.

Not sure if you watched the old Star Trek, but on at least a couple of occasions Kirk or Spock would make an alien computer explode by making carry out an illogical operation. Now, when you say "I really think the new Krell CAST system is great sounding" and then follow it up with "the first time I heard a Naim system, my foot started tapping on its own and I began snapping my fingers to the beat ... that didn't happen with the Krell system", one is forced to conclude you are trying to bring down the forum server or make a few head here explode.

Vuk.

Posted on: 17 October 2000 by Arye_Gur
Arun,
I agree with you about the krell.
When I bought the Nait3 I went to listen to Krell
"cheapest" integrated amp. It sounds great but the price - NAit3 about 1800 US $ (In Israel) and
the integrated Krell 5,000 US $. I think in such
a price Naim suggests better combinations.

I don't advise you to wait until I'll be rich...
go for it by yourself ....

Arie

Posted on: 17 October 2000 by Former member
Arie,
Like many others I do understand and agree on what you mean about the 'poor' BUT...

Looking at the product list it's not very difficult to see that Naim is a fairly expensive brand. Even an entry level Naim system costs more that what, say 95 % of the poeple around the world spend on a hifi system. So being a Naim forum I don't think it's a surprise that a fair amount of expensive systems pass by.

But I for one am convinced that the enjoyment of a good hifi system has very little to with its price. In (nearly) every price-range it's possible to get a lot of music!

Posted on: 17 October 2000 by Rico
quote:
Rico, don't you think Vuk has enough Snappy's already! He doesn't need anymore.

Arun

He who earns a snappy, earns a snappy. There are no bell curves, limits, or Academy Panels! If they all end up in just a couple of wardrobes, so be it.

Rico - musichead

Posted on: 17 October 2000 by Former member
Arie, the "poor people" cannot afford Naim or internet access, so I would be surprised if any contribute to the Naim forum.

People with modest systems may be too modest to post. After all, you need to have upgraded your own system to give sensible advice to others.

dozy.

Posted on: 17 October 2000 by John Schmidt
Arun,

quote:
I didn't know there was a hifi shop in Sarnia that sold Naim.

A small place above a bank called Sound Perspectives. Long gone, I'm afraid. It was run as a part-time business by four friends, one of whom was retired. They carried Linn, Naim and Krell primarily. It was more a labour of love than a big money-maker, and the closed up around 1990 when three of them were transferred out of the city with their day jobs. I stumbled into the place innocently enough in 1985, wanting to do a home demo of a Nait, and eventually wound up buying one of the owners' 32/SNAPS/250 system for a bargain price. There's an interested story here BTW. After listening to the Nait, my curiosity was piqued regarding used equipment and I found a used 42/110 at London Audio. I was on the verge of buying it when my wife, who was returning the Nait to the store, found this used 32/SNAPS/250. I later found out from the seller (who became a good friend) that London Audio was quite pissed at losing the sale (even though they encouraged me to grab it at the price) and complained to the distributor that the Sarnia store was undercutting their prices!

quote:
I wonder where the biggest audiophile community is

For sheer size, I would guess greater Toronto. But I suspect the Montreal area would win on a per capita basis. I remember my Sarnia friend relaying this tidbit to me as generally accepted industry gossip.

John Schmidt
"95% of everything is crud" - Theodore Sturgeon

Posted on: 17 October 2000 by Eric Barry
As a grad student on a limited budget, I know all about buying cheap. But Tony L is spot on about free hi-fi. In fact, just this morning I figured out that the components that I have bought and sold on my way to upgrades were not only free, but netted me 25% profit (Exposure 20, 32/Snaps, VPI turntable). And (I have gotten better at this) what is in my system would net me 40% more than what I paid, by my conservative estimate. And the older Naim stuff is not going to depreciate much more than it has (though 72s and 140s and 92s and 90s, because they were discontinued, could fall in the next few years). But as long as Naim continue to raise their prices and keep the product line pretty much the same, the used prices will stay pretty stable.

However, if I had just worked for pay as a temp slave for $16/hour, instead of watching the used market for bargains, I might have afforded something even better.

--Eric

Note to management: Infopop wouldn't let me log on yesterday to post this and I have had lost posts and had consistent problems accessing threads at all times of day and night. Any hi-fi piece that was as unreliable as this forum, no matter how good, would not be worth it. I originally thought it was poppycock, but this is beginning to reflect poorly on Naim as a company.

Posted on: 17 October 2000 by P
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Posted on: 17 October 2000 by Arye_Gur
Eric says
quote:
Note to management: Infopop wouldn't let me log on yesterday to post this and I have had lost posts and had consistent problems accessing threads at all times of day and night. Any hi-fi piece that was as unreliable as this forum, no matter how good, would not be worth it. I originally thought it was poppycock, but this is beginning to reflect poorly on Naim as a company.


You are right ! Every time I post I use the ^c
to copy my post before I push the "post" bottom.

But Eric, you don't understand how sophisticated
this Naim's site push bottom - many times when you activate it, it sends your post directly to the outer space ....

Arie

[This message was edited by Arie_Gur on WEDNESDAY 18 October 2000 at 08:18.]