FAO naim admin - what happened to my thread?

And a listing of the unwritten rules that must not be transgressed...

Paul

If Richard has a sense of humour he would delete this thread without a word of explanation.

Not least becuase several post here clearly imply that replacing case fuses with children's fingers greatly improves sound quality.

Matthew

sounds like a good idea to me.

TN

Trevor,

As a relative Forum-newbie myself, I completely understand you wanting to know what happened to your post. However in the short 2 months I have been a member I have had the chance to read other threads about mains and recognise what a taboo subject equipment fuses are.

I have also learnt that people will take the time out to answer your queries, as Richard Dane has done this morning, but asking...

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Originally posted by Trevor Newall:

where the f*** has it gone??????????????

TN

(who's more than a bit pissed off!!)

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...in the above manner, whilst understanding your frustration, does risk getting people's backs up just a litte bit.

Regards,

JonR

jonr.
I take you're point, and you're right!
I just don't like my time being wasted - just a pet hate of mine that's all.
apologies to all concerned for my outburst.
there's probably enough been said on the matter now, so perhaps matthew's right.
or, strictly speaking, this should be taken to the padded cell.

alex.
no problem!

TN

Tsk, tsk.

How could we possibly think someone might have a problem when they appear to start all their posts with "Chaps" and welcome newcomers with a slagging completely out of proportion to the question posed.

I agree with the deletion of the thread and with the idea of a warning. People's reaction to the warning is irrelevant. What actually matters are the legal requirements and someone at Naim seems blissfully unaware of these! Interesting!!!

Is Mrs. Mick a "chap" then?

Glad to see we make the forum as welcoming as possible for women!!!

Mr Newall

You said

"(who's looking for a bloody good explanation from richard dane!)"

That is why I pulled you up, that is self centered and immature foot stomping like a small kid and do not whinge when you get pulled up. There was no excuse for that tone.

Regards

Mick

Mick,

Perhaps, but...

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:
You are acting like a publicity seeking slut.

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...does seem to me to be a slight case of over-egging the pudding just a tad, n'est-ce pas?

Regards

JonR

I suppose the answer to your question is based on whether you think Mr Newalls sentence was lacking in respect or not.

I still think is was childish, petulant and unnecessary.

Regards

Mick

mick,

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Mr Newall

You said

"(who's looking for a bloody good explanation from richard dane!)"

That is why I pulled you up, that is self centered and immature foot stomping like a small kid and do not whinge when you get pulled up. There was no excuse for that tone.

Regards

Mick

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then it was for richard to comment - not you!
since when have you become the arbitrator of what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't?
your headmaster approach to things you don't consider right does you no favours, nor does your tendency to adopt using someone's surname in response to a person who disagrees with you.
truce?

TN
(who'd like to be known as trev or trevor, and not mr newall)

Moderators

Please pull this thread. It's getting a bit tedious and superflous now.

Ta.

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since when have you become the arbitrator of what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't?

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Mick has been self-appointed arbiter of acceptable behaviour for as long as I can remember, Trevor.

I sometimes wonder whether his more dogmatic statements are "tongue-in -cheek" with the express intention of stirring up controversy...I find it hard to accept that many of his comments are intended to be taken seriously


I`m sure that Mick is a nice guy.....


Laurie S

[This message was edited by Laurie Saunders on Fri 30 April 2004 at 15:52.]

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Originally posted by Trevor Newall:
apologies to all concerned for my outburst.
there's probably enough been said on the matter now,

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Good man.

And So To Bed?

Regards

Mike

Spending money I don't have on things I don't need.

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Originally posted by Chris Koster, nana:
I highly recommend, if you are on a binge of trying to get to sonic nirvana, which is certainly a good place to end up, work on the things that do matter in system setup, and/or upgrade your kit. I guarantee results.

I haven't touched my system in months. If you get it right, you can just listen and enjoy.

C Koster

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Chris,

I agree but, judging by the attention to detail paid by many members of this Forum, any mains-related tweaks that may be made will unlikely preclude the equipment upgrades as well as the usual 'standard' tweaks (ie. equipment stands/placement, etc.), if only to 'cover all bases' if you know what I mean!

Regards,

JonR

Trevor

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

Your fuse is so short it wouldn't reach anyway.

What is your wasted time in comparison with all of ours? 1600 views at the last count?

We might have been enjoying some music instead.

But we were forced to read your thread in case this was some matter of great importance.

It was not.

Back to the plot:

Nime

It's an ill wind... Tom

Nime

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It could be that the house wire is better, but I don't think so. I used the same fat wire for another system and it does not sound backwards, but this is somewhat intuition, and more experiments are needed.

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Chris,

I take it you've replaced the circuit breaker (ruling it out)? I've had two "bad" breakers ( one bad and brand-new right out of the box!) Both functioned normally (didn't trip, passed current) yet the hifi distorted horribly on peaks at high volume levels.


just curious....

dave

"I was "all upset" because I had spent time and effort posting something for it then to be deleted out of the blue without any explanation as to why it happened."

True to say the thread was deleted quick enough but the explanation for doing so came along much later.

I experimented with a higher rated fuse in my CDX back in November 2002. If you are into leading edge dynamics then there is a definite improvement to be heard. I even spoke of my findings at the Stafford Naim Musical Evening. Paul Darwin overheard what I had to say and gave me fair warning as to the consequences.

I never could live with that uprated fuse, and a niggling notion that I was acting irresponsibly (even if the risk is considered by some to be only theoretical) urged me to put the standard fuse back in. I even posted a question on here as to the recommended directionality of the standard fuse as I really couldn't be bothered to sit down and listen for myself, and I got an answer!

I just wanted to put the the whole fuse uprating episode behind me and enjoy music feeling safe and secure.

Some upgrades/improvements you can't live without once you've heard them. Uprated fuses are just not one of those those upgrades.

Here we are eighteen months on and I've never been tempted, not even once to put that 20 amp fuse back in. I'm saving it for the taxi should the fuse betwixt battery and taximeter ever blow on a Saturday night.



Regards,

Steve.

Chris

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If your system is working like it should, the standard fuse in the correct direction sounds best

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If that is your finding, Chris ,fine.

Well at least you concede that there IS a difference in sound

"best" is subjective... You may prefer whatever you may prefer, it would be absurd for me to question that, but to suggest that if others` findings are different, then their system is not set up correctly, or not working as it should, is , if I may put it politely, nothing more or less than "spin" IMHO

Apart from this,I find it hard to accept that increasing the impedance of the mains supply will improve the sound, where many many other tests (well beyond Naimland) report the exact opposite

I would suggest the complete contrary to you...if one obtains a worse sound by increasing the rating, I would suggest that thare are setup faults in the system being exposed and the cure is to sort these, rather than restrict current flow: i e two wrongs do not make a right.

These are my findings.

And so far I have not heard any Naim system, set up by those that ought to know how to do it, to give me any reason to doubt my conclusions.....though I am always open to be convinced of the opposite!

best wishes

Laurie S

[This message was edited by Laurie Saunders on Sun 02 May 2004 at 8:47.]

[This message was edited by Laurie Saunders on Sun 02 May 2004 at 8:48.]

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And so far I have not heard any Naim system, set up by those that ought to know how to do it, to give me any reason to doubt my conclusions.....though I am always open to be convinced of the opposite!

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Laurie,

About fifteen minutes into your first installation with CK is about all it takes to dispel all notions about how it "should be done".

regards,

dave

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Laurie,

About fifteen minutes into your first installation with CK is about all it takes to dispel all notions about how it "should be done"

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Dave


i can claim 15 seconds!

Seriously, I am in no way trying to smear Chris, or cast any doubts on his knowledge, experience, or expertise.


i just find the implied suggestion that REDUCING f**** ratings can improve the sound, hard to swallow. Furthermore, for him to suggest that those take this view are not able to set up a Naim system properly, is, I suggest, equivalent to "spin" as some form of attempt to persuade folk that changing the F*** rating from that supplied is not ONLY risky, but ALSO detrimental to performance.

A case "over-egging the pudding", if ever I saw one


Definitely toungue-in cheek!!!

laurie S

Mike parking cars at the Hotel or is he organising them into neat rows. Who put him in charge. A very rude man a relation of Simon Cowes no doubt. If he were a mod there would only be him here I suspect.

Love

Howard

Tom and Laurie,

Certainly I did not mean to imply that CK is the only individual that can properly setup a Naim system. There are several others.

best regards,

dave