Calling All Kan Users

Posted by: Ron The Mon on 04 January 2001

Posted on: 05 January 2001 by Ron The Mon
Tony,
I did not forget about the KanIII. It is a "made in Japan" speaker not actually made or tweaked by Linn. Vote Kan-Kopy if you have one. I've heard it and it is good for the money but for me the extra kash for Katan, or used Tukan or Kan, is a better buy.

Ron The Mon,
Fan Of All Kans

Posted on: 06 January 2001 by Andrew Randle
John,

Regarding Audiotech, I'm trying to contact them. I believe that the name has been taken over by some guys in Scotland although I don't have any contact details. Do you know their web/email/factory address?

Thanks,

Andrew


P.S. Keith/John thanks for the Linn Forum URL.

Andrew Randle
2B || !2B;
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Posted on: 06 January 2001 by John G.
Hi Andrew,

I recently had a problem with my PC where I ended up losing everything so I can't give you their web or email address.

Alan Gibb is the owner of Audiotech. He also owns Stereo Stereo, a hi-fi shop in Glasgow.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
John

Posted on: 06 January 2001 by Tony L
quote:
I have the Kan 2's which I am running with Linn bi-wire. Do you have a photo of your NACA5 mod that you could post? I would be very interested in doing this mod to my Kans, but have been perplexed as to how exactly it is done. A picture is worth a thousand words!

I don't have a digital camera, so I have had an attempt with Photoshop. Don't think it is worth a thousand words, but here goes...

It takes some effort to get the A5 stripped neatly and exactly the right spacing for the plugs, I did a dry run using the Kan as a template before actually soldering.

Tony.

Posted on: 06 January 2001 by Edwin
Thanks for the picture. So the outer casing becomes redundant eh? I'll give it a go.
Posted on: 06 January 2001 by Andrew L. Weekes
Tony,

What a great idea!

I've tried my Kan's bi-wired and single wired (using the link plates) and have a slight preference for bi-wire. Timing seems VERY slightly worse, but musical clarity is definitely better.

I'll try your idea though as it will make the cabling neater, and overcome the warranty issues!

Can you mod the casing to fit, or is this not possible?

I'd have thought that a similar opening could be cut into the other side of the lower casing to allow it to be fitted?

Andy.

Andrew L. Weekes
alweekes@audiophile.com

Posted on: 06 March 2002 by Ron The Mon
Any new Kan owners or new forum members owning Kans?

Ron The Mon

BTW, If you used to own Kans, a post of fond memories is welcome.

Posted on: 06 March 2002 by mykel
I did the new Ninka tweeters ( with help from Craig Best ) to replace the old shagged scanspeaks.

So far so good, I will post more on the details and my opinions when I get the time. School is very busy and I'm house sitting with no net access; except at break-time at school - like now.

but just a few quick observations -

removal was easier than expected.
The new tweeters are not as sharp, have better inner detail, and don't seem quite as effecient. I would now hazzard that the tonal balance is closer to the KanII now. ( Mine are very early binding post mark 1's with serial # in the 4xxx range )

The biggest suprise was the bass performance. I would guess that the combination of volume increase and a bit less treble output has had the effect of really bringing the bottom end out. It is a bit warmer with a quite noticable increase in weight, without any thickness, boom, overhang or other nasty.

More later...

regards,

michael

Posted on: 06 March 2002 by Rico
Ron

as you know, I am amongst the ranks of Kan devotees. However, having Ransomed them off last year (remember the "Save the Kans" thread?), I feel unable to vote as a "kan owner" in the purist sense of the word. I just carry them around in my heart... and judge many speakers I hear these days by the standards set by Kans.

For those who are interested, mine were Kan I's, very late model, with single-wire bananna sockets on the back. Kan II stands, all ex Tony Lonorgan. The worked well and capably demonstrated and responded to many upgrades un to Mana, CDX/82/SC/140... and loved the XPS even better. They found an excellent home.

Here's a pic.

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

PS - outstanding graphic, Tony! Should put that on your website, and supply also to the unofficial FAQ for publication.

Posted on: 06 March 2002 by Ron The Mon
Rico, Great photo!!!

MartinC, The new Linn "neodymium" tweeter
works as a direct replacement to all
scanspeak-style tweeters, however, in the Kan2 only, it gives a slight protrusion stretching through the grille-cloth. If you can live with this small cosmetic blemish, the performance difference is staggering, especially in your level of system. I agree with everything Michael stated above except for the bit about reduced tweeter volume. I run mine active and found, if anything, a slight increase in tweeter level. He is right on about the bass though. There is approximately a 13% increase in internal cabinet volume using the "neodymiums". Because of this, the increase in bass output is substantial with no adverse effect to the music. More internal cabinet volume plus no loss of cabinet rigidity equals more bass! The magnet on the back of the "neo" is about the size of three stacked Sakajaweas! The tweeter is VERY revealing and the reason why Michael is having a bit of reservation is it is showing up limitations in his sources! If you want more info, e-mail me privately.

Michael, Your next hi-fi upgrade needs to be a used LP-12 that matches your Kans!

Ron The Mon

Posted on: 06 March 2002 by bdnyc
I have owned a pair of Kan II's from late 1992 to the present. They have serial #'s in the low 49,000 range. I am not sure where that puts them in the evolution of Linn's production changes. Prior to purchasing them, I enjoyed them immensely in a huge variety of systems in a small store I worked in at the time. Some time after I owned them, a coworker and friend brought a pair of Kan I's in for some work, and we compared them. At the time, I felt the Kan II was a better speaker, at least as far as its voicing and transparency went. The Kan I's might have been a bit faster, they certainly were more open in the tweeter, but at a price I felt. The Kan II's, or at least mine, were clearly more extended in the bass than the I's I compared. Overall they seemed more refined, but less exurburant.

After running them happily for years with a 42/110 system, I had more money to put into my system. The Kans kept responding to the improvements, however as I ended up in a large room, and had a bout of what I used to call the Kansyndrome, I finally retired them for a full range speaker that was, and is, more tonally nuetral, and capable of greater freedom in placement (B&W Nautilus 804's, which work wonderfully with Naim systems as long as the quickest timing is not your top priority.)

I keep the Kans as a bedroom speaker, and in the hedge that one day I may need to set up my main system in a small room again. While I love them, I prefer a warmer, richer speaker than the Kans on many types of music. They are at their finest on small ensemble jazz and folk music, and I love their intimacy with the performance. Their lateral imaging is very good, however depth of field is not optimized, to put it mildly.

I have never heard them in a full bore active system, but would be shocked if they were not amazing in that setting. I recall a story that Alexis Arnold of Nana used to tell about the closing moments of a hifi show where they had played a set of Kans active in a full "Linn/Naim" system. One show goer who had returned repeatedly to their suite all through the weekend finally confronted her. He asked, in essence, what trick they had used to get such great sound out of the two puny little boxes in front of him. He had surmised they had a subwoofer somewhere, and he kept pulling things apart to find it, a la Austin Powers pulling the "wig" off a woman with real hair, only to find no reinforcement. Finally Alexis explained the "trick". Look, she said, "If you had thirty thousand dollars of electronics shoved up your rear, you would be singing too!"

Viva la Kans

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Posted on: 07 March 2002 by Anders
Kans on steroids
I still use my Kan IIs now and then (they are early 50xxx with Kustone and I also have a pair of Roger 15 ohm LS3/5a). The Kan IIs are still some of the most musical and communicative speakers around. On the end of CDS/52/500, they are really fantastic. Given this front-end, to my ears they sound full-range in small to moderate listning rooms. Last night I played Copland's "Fanfare to the Common Man" and the room was rattling as the tympani kicked in. In some weak moments I even think they outperform my NBLs...
Keep (and love) them
Posted on: 07 March 2002 by Ron The Mon
You Asked;
quote:
I'd like to join the kan(II) users group. How can I do?

I'll be e-mailing you my postal address. Please write the serial numbers of your Kans on the back of an American $50 bill and mail it to me. Upon proper verification, you become an official member.

Ron The Mon

Posted on: 07 March 2002 by Rico
quote:
The magnet on the back of the "neo" is about the size of three stacked Sakajaweas!

Ron

very interesting to read about this tweeter improvement. And thanks also for your kind words on my foty. However, WTF is a Sakajawea?

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Posted on: 07 March 2002 by Dr. Exotica
quote:
WTF is a Sakajawea?

Sakajawea is the latest figure to adorn the US $1 coin. Sakajawea was an Indian girl with an infant that accompanied Lewis and Clark when they were exploring the Louisiana Purchase (pretty good deal btw) and searching for the Northwest Passage up the Missouri River. They were sent on this mission by Thomas Jefferson around 1805 or so. Lewis and Clark eventually hit the Pacific after crossing the Rockies and hitting the Columbia River.

Sakajawea was instrumental in Lewis and Clark's success. She replaces Susan B. Anthony on the $1 coin (whom replaced Ike Eisenhower on the coin back in 1979).

Erik

Posted on: 07 March 2002 by Rico
Thanks, Erik.

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Posted on: 08 March 2002 by Ron The Mon
Here I was thinking I had come up with a clever response to your post and instead I end up looking foolish! Well, at least I have active Kans and you don't!

Anyway, if availability of used older classic Kans is a problem, you could buy the new Japanese-made Linn Kan (also known as Kan3) until a classic pair surfaces (just to become a member) or you could research the Rico method and perhaps hold yourself hostage until a pair of Kans are sent to you. It worked for Rico! BTW, who now owns those Lonogan/Rico beauties?

Ron The Mon

BTW, Rico, Erik left out the part about most Americans hating the Sakajawea passionately.

Posted on: 08 March 2002 by Paul Ranson
quote:
BTW, who now owns those Lonogan/Rico beauties?

Me!

Paul

Posted on: 12 March 2002 by Ron The Mon
Even though members are still voting, the topic is slinking away!

Any more photos, comments, stories, or anecdotes?

Ron The Mon

Posted on: 27 March 2002 by Andrew Randle
Ugo,

It depends on whether they come with stands, condition and the kind of finish. €500 is about right if they're in very good condition with stands and in teak/walnut/santos-walnut.

Andrew

Andrew Randle
Currently in the "Linn Binn"

Posted on: 12 April 2002 by Allan Probin
Yes, I think the 72/140 would be a good start. Even cheaper and just as good (but maybe slightly different) would be 32.5/110

Allan

Posted on: 12 April 2002 by jcc
A bit off subject here, but what do Kan owners replace the B110 with (if neccesary)? roll eyes

Cheers,
jim

Posted on: 13 April 2002 by Ron The Mon
Not off subject at all! Are you a Kan-Fan or owner? I was going to say something clever like buy a set of Isobariks to have several replacement B110s handy but I don't it's necessary. Has anyone actually blown a Kan mid-bass with Naim amps before? I've blown several Scanpeak and Hiquophon tweeters, but never the B110. In fact, as my opening post on this thread indicates, I have a Kan (beautifully scratched rosewood) with the tweeter hole plugged and the mid-bass connected directly to the speaker wire and it's used as a guitar speaker. Though I mostly use a low-powered solid-state amp for jazz club gigs, I have used it with my Marshall Major and other 100-watt tube amps on full volume. The Kan sounds awesome but doesn't have quite the scale of a Marshall stack.

The only other possible reasons for a replacement is physical damage from spills, fingers, etc. or deterioration. Anybody have such problems?

Ron The Mon,
Arch Kan defender and wall driller.

Posted on: 13 April 2002 by jcc
Ron,

Yes I am a Kan fan. I've unfortunately never owned them (big mistake #1), but have owned Saras and Briks. Like you I've never had a problem with a B110.

In the past four years, I've known of 4 B110 failures. Each time at the end of a LK1/LK2. When the output transistor(s) decide to 'fail' it takes the ol'woofer with them. Oddly enough all four were connected to the right channel.

A friend rang the other day who located a pair of KanIs with a bad b110. Since they are NLA from Linn nor KEF, I thought I'd ask.

Cheers
jim

Posted on: 13 April 2002 by Ron The Mon
Interesting about the Linn LK2. I also once blew two B110s and two tweeters at the same time while playing Kate Bush's "Sat In Your Lap" very loud(max) with an LK2 into Isobariks. Audiophile Systems (the old Linn Dist.) said they wouldn't warranty the repair as it was a "digital" recording and blamed that for the damage. I used the LK2 with Kans and never had a problem.

Ron The Mon,
Arch Kan defender and wall driller.