The Shiny New All-Purpose MTB Thread
Posted by: matthewr on 10 May 2004
Becuase having one called "Paging Matthew" is starting to annoy me.
My question is: does anyone have any experience of using petrol station jet washers to clean one's bike? I've never done it as I've always heeded the dire warnings about getting water in your bearings, forks, pedals, etc. and everything rusting up a few weeks later. In practice, and presuming I don't blast my bottom bracket directly, how likely is this to cause any actual harm?
The reason I ask is that living in a 4th floor flat with no garage and no secure storage I have a real problem when my bike gets dirty and it would be a million times easier if I could come home via a petrol station and get most of the mud off.
My previous bike I used to, I kid you not, clean it in the bath with the shower. However, with disk breaks meaning wheel removal is not very practical, this is not an option anymore: So unless I can use a jet washer I am faced with endless hassle and lectures about mud in the hallway from the woman in my building who thinks she owns the place.
So any ideas for getting my bike clean very quickly gratefully received.
Matthew
My question is: does anyone have any experience of using petrol station jet washers to clean one's bike? I've never done it as I've always heeded the dire warnings about getting water in your bearings, forks, pedals, etc. and everything rusting up a few weeks later. In practice, and presuming I don't blast my bottom bracket directly, how likely is this to cause any actual harm?
The reason I ask is that living in a 4th floor flat with no garage and no secure storage I have a real problem when my bike gets dirty and it would be a million times easier if I could come home via a petrol station and get most of the mud off.
My previous bike I used to, I kid you not, clean it in the bath with the shower. However, with disk breaks meaning wheel removal is not very practical, this is not an option anymore: So unless I can use a jet washer I am faced with endless hassle and lectures about mud in the hallway from the woman in my building who thinks she owns the place.
So any ideas for getting my bike clean very quickly gratefully received.
Matthew
Posted on: 11 May 2004 by Steve G
Living in the "sticks" mean you get this sort of thing close to home (both pics from tonights ride):
Which is nice. I had quite a relaxed ride tonight but I did manage one of the climbs (to a pass at 400m) a gear higher (2/2) that ever before, which was also nice (one my legs stopped shaking and I could draw breath again).
Which is nice. I had quite a relaxed ride tonight but I did manage one of the climbs (to a pass at 400m) a gear higher (2/2) that ever before, which was also nice (one my legs stopped shaking and I could draw breath again).
Posted on: 12 May 2004 by Brian OReilly
Q2. Is it really wise to leave the fork sliders exposed to grit and dirt ? I know it's sexy, I know it looks better than the rubber gaiters on my old nail and I agree that's the most important thing. But these forks cost, what, GBP1000+ ?.
Shame to wreck 'em with dirt ingress ?
Brian OReilly
Shame to wreck 'em with dirt ingress ?
Brian OReilly
Posted on: 12 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Brian OReilly:
Q2. Is it really wise to leave the fork sliders exposed to grit and dirt ? I know it's sexy, I know it looks better than the rubber gaiters on my old nail and I agree that's the most important thing. But these forks cost, what, GBP1000+ ?.
Shame to wreck 'em with dirt ingress ?
Current though seems to be that the stanchions are better off exposed to the elements. With gaiters people tend not to notice when dirt & grit gets trapped underneath and this can can problems with the seals.
These days it's rare to see anything other than the cheapest forks with gaiters.
£1000+ would be very, very expensive for a set of forks (although I think there are downhill models that expensive) - most trail forks are in the £200-£600 range new.
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by matthewr
Hat: I prefer the "potty"/skate style myself and have the ubiquitous Dirt Lid. I still have a traditional Giro Gila for when it's very hot but it's actually really quite uncomfortable.
Jersey: A variety of t-shirts and scruffy old sweatshirts. I've never been one for "proper" cycling tops.
Shorts: I used to always where a pair of Stone Monkey loose-but-stretchy cut-off shorts (the sort climbers wear) but recent checking in the mirror has confirmed I can no longer pull these off. I also have a variety of baggy cargo style shorts (and trousers although I almost always wear shorts) without having any particular faves.
I rarely bother with an insert (apart the from first day of the Summer I seem immune to a sore arse) and think cycling shorts are best left to roadies and my mate Penny who looks fab in them.
Gloves: The best gloves are still Fox Sidewinder IIs IMHO but mine are bright blue and have that "Goalkeeper gloves" effect that must have seemed cool at some point (96?) but now look conspicuously stupid. I am currently using some 661 "Nasty" gloves which are great except the palm is too thin and is wearing fast. I am open to suggestions to good full-finger, lightly armoured (ie not DH) gloves.
My fave fingerless are a nondescript a pair of Trek gloves with a gel palm and a towel back.
Waterproofs: I have a very nerdy looking Bike GORE Wear Goretex shell for proper rain, one of those purple Pertex pullovers that everyone had in the mid-90s. Plus a rather snazzy new Race Face Aqualite (or something) that I got cheap from Chain Reaction. On the whole though I tend to avoid rain.
Shades: I have 4 pairs of Brikos with a variety of lenses from a deep red/blazing sun, to some orange-y flatlights, to a yellow one which is great in typical English weather and works well in woodland. Brikos are ace and have lenses as good as Oakleys but cost £40 rather than £140 so you can afford to have a range of lenses.
Footwear: Usually Etnies Mike Vallely which, like their namesake, seem indestructable. Mine have had a variety of abuse over 2 years and still look as good as new.
UNINTERESTING FACTOID: I currently have 7 or 8 pairs of trainers and only one pair of shoes for teh rare occasion I am required to wear a suit.
Matthew
Jersey: A variety of t-shirts and scruffy old sweatshirts. I've never been one for "proper" cycling tops.
Shorts: I used to always where a pair of Stone Monkey loose-but-stretchy cut-off shorts (the sort climbers wear) but recent checking in the mirror has confirmed I can no longer pull these off. I also have a variety of baggy cargo style shorts (and trousers although I almost always wear shorts) without having any particular faves.
I rarely bother with an insert (apart the from first day of the Summer I seem immune to a sore arse) and think cycling shorts are best left to roadies and my mate Penny who looks fab in them.
Gloves: The best gloves are still Fox Sidewinder IIs IMHO but mine are bright blue and have that "Goalkeeper gloves" effect that must have seemed cool at some point (96?) but now look conspicuously stupid. I am currently using some 661 "Nasty" gloves which are great except the palm is too thin and is wearing fast. I am open to suggestions to good full-finger, lightly armoured (ie not DH) gloves.
My fave fingerless are a nondescript a pair of Trek gloves with a gel palm and a towel back.
Waterproofs: I have a very nerdy looking Bike GORE Wear Goretex shell for proper rain, one of those purple Pertex pullovers that everyone had in the mid-90s. Plus a rather snazzy new Race Face Aqualite (or something) that I got cheap from Chain Reaction. On the whole though I tend to avoid rain.
Shades: I have 4 pairs of Brikos with a variety of lenses from a deep red/blazing sun, to some orange-y flatlights, to a yellow one which is great in typical English weather and works well in woodland. Brikos are ace and have lenses as good as Oakleys but cost £40 rather than £140 so you can afford to have a range of lenses.
Footwear: Usually Etnies Mike Vallely which, like their namesake, seem indestructable. Mine have had a variety of abuse over 2 years and still look as good as new.
UNINTERESTING FACTOID: I currently have 7 or 8 pairs of trainers and only one pair of shoes for teh rare occasion I am required to wear a suit.
Matthew
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by matthewr
Everyone has gone to the pub apart from me, Alex, celebrating something or other. During this window of opportunity I may have been slacking but this will obviously not stop me making a big fuss about how hard I have been working when they all return.
I'll be here late tonight though if it's any consolation.
Matthew
I'll be here late tonight though if it's any consolation.
Matthew
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by Steve G
Hat Currently I use a normal vented and peaked bicycle helmet but I'm considering changing to one with a chin-guard after seeing lots of people face planting at Glentress recently. I'm put off by the £100 cost though.
Jersey I always wear a coolmax base-layer and usually have a cheap Diodora sweatshirt over that. I have about 6 sets of each and that is just about enough to keep up with the frequency I'm riding.
Shorts In the winter I use thermals, padded undershorts and a lycra short over the top. In summer it's usually just the lycra shorts but I'm just about to change to baggies as I really don't have the body for lycra! I always wear a liner.
Gloves I usually wear full-finger motocross gloves, mainly because I already had them . I also have a pair of fingerless gloves for when its warm and a pair of Scott Explorers for when it's very cold.
Waterproofs I've got various jackets but the only one that gets used is an Endura Commuter jacket which is excellent. I don't have waterproof cycling overtrousers but I'll definitely be getting something decent for next winter.
Shades I rarely wear shades (it is Scotland after all) but my riding glasses came with various interchangeable lenses of which I've only used the clear ones so far.
Footwear All my bikes have SPD's and I use the cheapest Shimano MTB shoe (MO20).
I've also only got one pair of shoes for those rare occasions where I have to wear a suit. I think I've got about 5 pairs of trainers but my most commonly used footwear are a pair of Berghaus Mesh multi-activity shoes. I've also got 3 pairs of hillwalking boots for various conditions.
Jersey I always wear a coolmax base-layer and usually have a cheap Diodora sweatshirt over that. I have about 6 sets of each and that is just about enough to keep up with the frequency I'm riding.
Shorts In the winter I use thermals, padded undershorts and a lycra short over the top. In summer it's usually just the lycra shorts but I'm just about to change to baggies as I really don't have the body for lycra! I always wear a liner.
Gloves I usually wear full-finger motocross gloves, mainly because I already had them . I also have a pair of fingerless gloves for when its warm and a pair of Scott Explorers for when it's very cold.
Waterproofs I've got various jackets but the only one that gets used is an Endura Commuter jacket which is excellent. I don't have waterproof cycling overtrousers but I'll definitely be getting something decent for next winter.
Shades I rarely wear shades (it is Scotland after all) but my riding glasses came with various interchangeable lenses of which I've only used the clear ones so far.
Footwear All my bikes have SPD's and I use the cheapest Shimano MTB shoe (MO20).
quote:
UNINTERESTING FACTOID: I currently have 7 or 8 pairs of trainers and only one pair of shoes for teh rare occasion I am required to wear a suit.
I've also only got one pair of shoes for those rare occasions where I have to wear a suit. I think I've got about 5 pairs of trainers but my most commonly used footwear are a pair of Berghaus Mesh multi-activity shoes. I've also got 3 pairs of hillwalking boots for various conditions.
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by matthewr
Baggy is definitely the way to go for the older Gentlemen about the Fell.
Matthew
Matthew
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:
Baggy is definitely the way to go for the older Gentlemen about the Fell.
Does one wear lycra under the baggies though?
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by matthewr
Endura make Coolmax undies with a built in insert for exactly that purpose.
Matthew
Matthew
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by alexgerrard:
My shoe factoid is that I have over 40 pairs of shoes/trainers.
Is "Alex" short for "Alexandra" then...
Or are you one of those "metrosexual" things that Top-Gear mentioned recently? I'm already fairly convinced that Matthew is...
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by matthewr
Fully kitted out I look like a the fat 15 year-old who isn't as good at skateboarding as his mates.
I was a metrosexual a couple of years ago when the phrase was vaguely fashionable. Now I've learned it's been mentioned on Top Gear I shall go back and remove all references to me using the phrase at fashionale North London parties from my diaries.
Matthew
I was a metrosexual a couple of years ago when the phrase was vaguely fashionable. Now I've learned it's been mentioned on Top Gear I shall go back and remove all references to me using the phrase at fashionale North London parties from my diaries.
Matthew
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:
Fully kitted out I look like a the fat 15 year-old who isn't as good at skateboarding as his mates.
Wouldn't that be a fat, bald 15-year old?
Anyway the term "all the gear, no idea" was coined for people who look like I do fully kitted up.
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by Mekon
Today has been spent 'thesis' formatting a bunch of studies.
Hat - A 12 year old Specialized sub-something or other
Jersey - A T-shirt
Shorts - A pair of baggy cutoff C17 jeans
Gloves - A pair of Axo Moto-x gloves
Waterproofs - See above
Shades - Some I found at my sister's flat
Footwear - A pair of rotten old Airwalk
My shoe fact is that I have loads of old skate trainers, but usually end up wearing my running shoes, as I can't be arsed to carry a spare pair when I run into work.
Fully kitted out, if I dumped the helmet and gloves, you wouldn't know I was out on my bike.
Hat - A 12 year old Specialized sub-something or other
Jersey - A T-shirt
Shorts - A pair of baggy cutoff C17 jeans
Gloves - A pair of Axo Moto-x gloves
Waterproofs - See above
Shades - Some I found at my sister's flat
Footwear - A pair of rotten old Airwalk
My shoe fact is that I have loads of old skate trainers, but usually end up wearing my running shoes, as I can't be arsed to carry a spare pair when I run into work.
Fully kitted out, if I dumped the helmet and gloves, you wouldn't know I was out on my bike.
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by Steve G
For those with a very strong stomach here is me, fully kitted and on No.3 bike at a snowy Glentress:
Posted on: 13 May 2004 by Dan M
Ah, another gear thread -- goodie. I'm sitting in my hotel in Hamburg, which has wireless, so here goes. Prepare to roll your eyes, 'cause I
wear pretty much the same thing on a mtb as a road bike.
Helmet -- Briko roadie style - no visor! This is quite new, since I broke chunks of foam off my Giro helios. Very comfy and light.
Jersey -- various road team jerseys. If its colder I wear two, and add arm warmers.
Shorts -- black lycra bibs made by Voler. Bibs rock: no plumber butt. I'd never go back to shorts. However, if I plan to end my ride at the local brewpub, I usually wear a pair of Pearl Izumi baggies which have what amounts to a black pair of lycra shorts inside. The baggies make me a little more confortable when the sun goes down. If its below 60F I add knee warmers.
Gloves -- Axo lightweight full finger jobbies, or if its incredibly hot nothing.
Waterproofs -- skin is waterproof so I dont bother with trousers, but I have a lightweight Pearl jacket that I leave rolled up in my back jersey pocket.
Shades -- Oakley m-frames - they beat the pants off of 2 pairs of Brikos for comfort and not making my eyes run on long downhills. Clear and dark lens.
Footwear -- Sidi domininators - simply the best shoe I've had. Just like my road shoe, but you can run in them and they take studs. The top buckle is great to crank down for climbing. DeFeet socks. I had Northwaves but the velcro kept coming undone, and they nver fit well.
Shoe factoid -- 2 pairs of dress shoes (black and brown), tevas, berks, 2 pairs running shoes, climbing shoes, wellies, and LaSportiva full leather boots. I just bought a new pair of running shoes and they are embarassingly white. Mostly I've been wearing a pair of North Face trail runners, but they're getting very ripe.
Fully kitted out I feel obligated to go much faster than is comfortable either up or down. Not good.
p.s. Matthew -- I'm sending you a PT.
p.p.s. Is Ludders awol?
wear pretty much the same thing on a mtb as a road bike.
Helmet -- Briko roadie style - no visor! This is quite new, since I broke chunks of foam off my Giro helios. Very comfy and light.
Jersey -- various road team jerseys. If its colder I wear two, and add arm warmers.
Shorts -- black lycra bibs made by Voler. Bibs rock: no plumber butt. I'd never go back to shorts. However, if I plan to end my ride at the local brewpub, I usually wear a pair of Pearl Izumi baggies which have what amounts to a black pair of lycra shorts inside. The baggies make me a little more confortable when the sun goes down. If its below 60F I add knee warmers.
Gloves -- Axo lightweight full finger jobbies, or if its incredibly hot nothing.
Waterproofs -- skin is waterproof so I dont bother with trousers, but I have a lightweight Pearl jacket that I leave rolled up in my back jersey pocket.
Shades -- Oakley m-frames - they beat the pants off of 2 pairs of Brikos for comfort and not making my eyes run on long downhills. Clear and dark lens.
Footwear -- Sidi domininators - simply the best shoe I've had. Just like my road shoe, but you can run in them and they take studs. The top buckle is great to crank down for climbing. DeFeet socks. I had Northwaves but the velcro kept coming undone, and they nver fit well.
Shoe factoid -- 2 pairs of dress shoes (black and brown), tevas, berks, 2 pairs running shoes, climbing shoes, wellies, and LaSportiva full leather boots. I just bought a new pair of running shoes and they are embarassingly white. Mostly I've been wearing a pair of North Face trail runners, but they're getting very ripe.
Fully kitted out I feel obligated to go much faster than is comfortable either up or down. Not good.
p.s. Matthew -- I'm sending you a PT.
p.p.s. Is Ludders awol?
Posted on: 14 May 2004 by Steve G
Dan,
So we're talking visorless roadie helmet, team jersey and lycra bib shorts while on a mountain bike. That's just wrong...
Do you use bar-ends as well?
Regards
Steve
So we're talking visorless roadie helmet, team jersey and lycra bib shorts while on a mountain bike. That's just wrong...
Do you use bar-ends as well?
Regards
Steve
Posted on: 14 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by alexgerrard:
What's wrong with bar ends?
What's right with them?
Posted on: 14 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by alexgerrard:
Get a slighly different reach on road journeys, and also I like to use them if climbing steeply.
See like a good thing to me.
Is this on flat bars or risers?
Posted on: 14 May 2004 by matthewr
Wide risers and sensible stems make bar ends a thing of the past I reckon. You only needed them as a bit of light relief for your back after two hours of leaning forward to reach your 20" flat bars that are half a mile way due to your 160mm 0 degree stem.
Also their presence would rule out any number of impossibly difficult and dangerous trick that I frequently perform during idle moments staring out of the window at work.
Matthew
Also their presence would rule out any number of impossibly difficult and dangerous trick that I frequently perform during idle moments staring out of the window at work.
Matthew
Posted on: 14 May 2004 by Dan M
quote:
Originally posted by Steve G:
Do you use bar-ends as well?
But of course. I have a flat bar. Those curvey bars are too moddy-wad by far. Looks like they belong on bmx bikes. Nice for climbing and change of position, but you need to watch out in the woods that you dont get hooked. About long 0 degree stems - no comment.
re lycra -- if its comfy on a road bike, why not a mtb? At least they're jerseys for teams I've rode on. I dont yet see pros wearing baggies for XC.
Dan
Posted on: 14 May 2004 by Dan M
Steve,
Are you in your Granny on that little hill
Dan
Are you in your Granny on that little hill
Dan
Posted on: 14 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Dan M:
Steve,
Are you in your Granny on that little hill
I am unwilling to confirm or deny any such allegations!
Anyway it's not a little hill, it's part of this section:
And I was only stopped because the other chap didn't make it round that hairpin, honest...
Posted on: 14 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Dan M:
But of course. I have a flat bar. Those curvey bars are too moddy-wad by far. Looks like they belong on bmx bikes.
Nice to see someone living the retro experience...
quote:
Nice for climbing and change of position, but you need to watch out in the woods that you dont get hooked. About long 0 degree stems - no comment.
I run a 120mm 0 degree stem on one of my bikes.
quote:
re lycra -- if its comfy on a road bike, why not a mtb? At least they're jerseys for teams I've rode on. I dont yet see pros wearing baggies for XC.
Pro-XC racers can barely be regarded as mountain bikers. They're really just slightly dusty roadies.
Posted on: 14 May 2004 by Dan M
quote:
They're really just slightly dusty roadies.
I resemble that remark
Posted on: 14 May 2004 by Steve G
quote:
Originally posted by Matthew Brownnutt:
_Shorts_: Clearly no man over 30 should consider lycra unless he is Steve Redgrave.
Having seen myself in the mirror I'd have to agree. Baggies have just moved higher up in the purchase list!
quote:
_Shades_: Despite having at least 3 pairs of sunglasses I don't have a bike specific pair. However most of my riding at the moment is in woodland so I don't feel the need for a pair.
Because I wear contact lenses when riding I always wear eye protection as previously I've got grit in my eye and had to remove one of the (disposable) lenses and ride home with only one good eye!