Running out of webspace

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I hope I have just successfully demonstrated that this is simply untrue!

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Quite the opposite - it only works when the reply is made within a couple of posts and depends on having much free time, or a degree of compulsion. It's one inelegant bloody mess for pursuing a discussion.

I like the look of this forum but surely the moguls at Naim could 'get their act together' and sort out the hosting problems.

Put some inferior caps in the next batch of amps and that will take care of the cost!

AQD

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How about killing two birds with one
stone?

Let's have a moderator-approved Naim
Forum "reality show" thread. The lack of server space here is not caused by too
many threads/posts, but too many lame
posters.

We should first have a thread where the 10 most annoying members here are chosen.

Then one annoying member gets voted out
each week. When you get voted out, you
are banished for life from this forum
and ALL your previous posts are erased.
In a 9 week period, I would guess that
half the server space will be restored,
the search will work, and everyone will
save time visiting this forum.

It would be a bit like the novel The
Lottery; The members who get kicked
out will be very upset, but the rest of
us will get our frustrations out and
this community will be a better place.

And since we all know reality shows are
not fixed, we can count on the
moderators to be fair.

Ron The Mon,
Needle-Freak

If Naim are interested, I could possibly host if for them on a private network. If they like I could do it in exchange for 1 piece of Naim equipment per year.

Andrew Randle
randle underscore andrew at hotmail dot com

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If they like I could do it in exchange for 1 piece of Naim equipment per year.

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What would you do with all those pucks?

Steve

Why don't they just bin anything by Stallion in the archives? That would free up a hundred pages or so.

I must say the apparent removal of the new speaker to be hatched thread is a little cynical, surely simply removing the earliest posts would be the simpliest solution, its only Toy that reserects them anyway.

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Originally posted by Stevea:

What would you do with all those pucks?

Steve

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LOL!

But seriously, I'd do it for a box every two years.....

Harry

Storage space is extremely cheap. I can bolt on another 160GB to my machine for £80. How much do you need for a forum? I can't believe that Infopop are charging staggering amounts for webspace.

An Infopop server with 2x36GB diskspace, 250GB/month bandwidth and support for message archives around 300,000 posts has a setup fee of $1400 and a monthly base charge of $1000 with per MB/GB charges for exceeding sotrage and bandwidth limits.

So roughly £6.5k a year.

Matthew

Blimey!
I think I would set up my own in that case.

Webspace shouldn't have to be rationed as some propose.



Regards,

Steve.

Holy moly!

By way of comparison, these guys are behind a load of well reviewed resellers, and do dedicated servers that include the fantastico installer and phpbb2/Invision/YaBBSE software. Reviews say they are good for their 99.9% uptime claims.

Intel Celeron 1.7Ghz 400Mhz Bus
Memory: 512MB DDR System Memory
Storage: DUAL 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Disk
Transfer:1200 GB per month Premium Bandwidth
IP Addresses: 5 :: Fantastico V2
$0.00 Setup Fee $130.00 Monthly

and I am sure there are better deals to be had.

I am now going to apply for one of those licenses to print money that infopop have aquired.

Mekon said "I am now going to apply for one of those licenses to print money that infopop have aquired"

It's classic brand value leveraging -- if you get in a posisition of market dominance people will pay a premium becuase they think you must be better just becuase they've heard of you. Also Infopop's successful early landgrab for market share means that inertia will leave them with lots of customers paying a marginal premium but with no real incentive to move.

Although to be fair to Infopop the prices include more than just the bulletin boards as their product now includes stuff like paid for Memberships, photo albums, chat, etc. etc. See http://www.infopop.com/order/ for details of "Eve" and it's pricing.

Also with regard to a notional payment in the region of £6.5k (obviously we have no idea how much Naim is paying), this is essentially a trivial cost compared to the likely staff costs involved. No doubt Infopop's pitch has lots about "Total Cost of Ownership" and all that.

Steven Toy said "Webspace shouldn't have to be rationed as some propose"

Are you suggesting that the host should allocate an unlimited amount of diskspace and bandwidth for each customer?

I am reminded of an IT manager at the Bank of Scotland who once told me that if their data storage requirements continued to grow at the current rate by the year 2000 they would need to store more bits than the number of atoms in the entire universe. Setting aside his talent for exaggeration, I think we can assume as we are all still here that either that did not turn out to be true or else BoS have invented sub form of Quark based hard drive system.

Matthew

I don't know what sort of inhouse IT presence Naim have, but I'd say that if the forum is important enough to them, £6.5k "pay it and forget it" is not a lot versus training someone and paying them to do it in-house.

Hosting a server is cheap, so is bandwidth, but knowing how to set it up, run it, patch it, fix it whenever something breaks isn't.

regards,
Paul

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Are you suggesting that the host should allocate an unlimited amount of diskspace and bandwidth for each customer?

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No I'm suggesting that if Naim is reaching its limits of bandwidth and disc space then the forum can't really function properly as it has done until now.

Wiping out a thread like "Sistem pics 2003" would clear up an awful lot of space and buy a little more time.

However, it would basically paper over the cracks without actually solving the problem in the long run.

If Infopoop is so costly then maybe it is time to archive what we have already and begin afresh with something much cheaper - a solution that would facilitate adding more disk space and bandwidth as and when the need arose.



Regards,

Steve.

Thank you all for your advice so far - prompted by a casual and facetious remark.
As the original deleted thread was all text my comment was exaggerated. We moderate these posts – which means we HAVE to read them – keep them interesting, keep them sane.
The first thing I discovered when I joined Naim was – if I could see something that SO obviously need to be addressed – someone, somewhere had the task of doing just that. As forum users it is inevitable that the performance of the forum will be of disproportionate interest. We do look at alternatives but are very aware that any transition should not cock up what is, in many respects, a well running forum.
You could look at other sites and compare their speed – then look at the total content and level of activity and realise that this site cannot necessarily follow their solutions.
We will be considering various options but, for the moment, pruning fat old threads (image rich) may speed things up for current forum posters. Life saving stuff (such as how to set up SBL loudspeakers) will take preference over “My favourite television show (1998)” despite the latter’s potential interest to future historians.
For those of you with beloved threads that have run to 146 pages and contain your best thoughts - I have found that saving each page as a mht (web archive, single file) file works well.

Bin all ov my old tosh Guvnor and the joint will shu-rely run smoover innit.


Fritz Von You'vegottabeahustlerifyerwannageton

Actively under consideration, mate

How life saving is 'how to set up SBL loudspeakers' version 9,000,000?

Killing The padded Cell, although unpopular in some quarters would possibly provide a medium term solution? It's nice to have an 'off topic' area but not essential. Might seem a bit drastic but leaving the Hi Fi and Music sections intact (subject to Moderation) would at least give a logical focus and balance.

There's some very good stuff in there which is nevertheless irrevelant, plus plenty of useless wind (including mine) which isn't about anything worth keeping. IMO - of course.

Cheers

Harry

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Originally posted by Berlin Fritz:
Bin all ov my old tosh Guvnor and the joint will shu-rely run smoover innit.


Fritz Von You'vegottabeahustlerifyerwannageton

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Yeah..I'll bet you're just waiting for that happen so you can cry "Oi! Censorship!!".....I bet the mods are too smart to fall into that trap....!!!

JonR

HTK - that's just crazy talk. In fact we need more fora; at least one each for cycling, food/drink and photography related topics.

cheers

Dan

Looks like space is not an issue over at Reef Central !Reef Central