Piers Morgan
Posted by: MichaelC on 14 May 2004
Bye
Posted on: 15 May 2004 by Former member
quote:
Just because that particular set of pictures was fake, don't mean to say it don't happen.
As the US Army is proving.
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Posted on: 15 May 2004 by Steve O
Piers Morgan always was and always will be a pompous prick.
A bit of "countryside" is very much in order.
A bit of "countryside" is very much in order.
Posted on: 15 May 2004 by Bubblechild
What interesting and confusing times we live in.
I don't really care whether Piers goes or stays: surely if you read the Mirror you're only half-interested in reality.
Greater transparency and accountability in the workings of both our government and our military would be something I'd welcome. I think it's possible that these stories may move things in that direction.
Whilst I hate to see actions that inflame the situation on either side - more hatred, prejudice and violence is the last thing anyone needs right now - surely it's the acts themselves, not whether they've been misleadingly represented in the news, that deserve investigation.
While we're on the subject, I still haven't heard a convincing argument that explains how our presence in Iraq (and our absence from other crisis areas) is justified. It certainly seems increasingly unrealistic to use some abstract moral high ground as an explanation.
When I think of the difference that could have been made had the money spent on the war been allocated elsewhere, I feel terribly saddened - the more so when I think of the current alternatives to Blair.
I don't really care whether Piers goes or stays: surely if you read the Mirror you're only half-interested in reality.
Greater transparency and accountability in the workings of both our government and our military would be something I'd welcome. I think it's possible that these stories may move things in that direction.
Whilst I hate to see actions that inflame the situation on either side - more hatred, prejudice and violence is the last thing anyone needs right now - surely it's the acts themselves, not whether they've been misleadingly represented in the news, that deserve investigation.
While we're on the subject, I still haven't heard a convincing argument that explains how our presence in Iraq (and our absence from other crisis areas) is justified. It certainly seems increasingly unrealistic to use some abstract moral high ground as an explanation.
When I think of the difference that could have been made had the money spent on the war been allocated elsewhere, I feel terribly saddened - the more so when I think of the current alternatives to Blair.
Posted on: 15 May 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
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Originally posted by Kevin-W:
Well, I'm going to disagree with the lot of you.
And, broadly, have some sympthy with what he did.
To quote the Commanding Officer of the QLR, "We are measuring the ego of one editor against the lives of British Soldiers." Nice one Colonel. Nuff said.
quote:
What would your reaction be if those pictures were genuine? After all, as Matthew has already pointed out, the matter of abuse of Iraqis by the British is being investigated. Just because that particular set of pictures was fake, don't mean to say it don't happen.
They were not genuine. If they were, in the Great Scale of Things, they are pretty mild: no deaths, no mutilation, no faces to identify as being humiliated.
The abuse of Iraqis is being investigated. I suspect that the guy that tried to blow up my mate Chris B. in a minibus in Basra a couple of weeks ago, is not being sought. There is a great deal of faux indignation here. Reality check: the prison that was the recent scene of US prisoner abuse saw, on one day, the execution ( murder ) of 2000 Iraqis under Saddam.
Lets get some perspective.
Regards
Mike
Posted on: 16 May 2004 by syd
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The abuse of Iraqis is being investigated. I suspect that the guy that tried to blow up my mate Chris B. in a minibus in Basra a couple of weeks ago, is not being sought. There is a great deal of faux indignation here. Reality check: the prison that was the recent scene of US prisoner abuse saw, on one day, the execution ( murder ) of 2000 Iraqis under Saddam.
Lets get some perspective.
So wer'e killing less innocent Iraqis than Saddam is an improvement then?.
Yours in Music
Syd
Posted on: 16 May 2004 by Steve O
I visit a factory where there are a large number of Iraqi workers. Many of these people lost family in midnight raids from Saddams secret police. To a man they are grateful to Bush and a lesser extent Blair for freeing them of Saddam.
I am fairly non-political - I believe they're all tossers more concerned with lining their own pockets than representing us the voter. I do believe though that Iraq faces a better future in the long run without Saddam at the helm.
I am fairly non-political - I believe they're all tossers more concerned with lining their own pockets than representing us the voter. I do believe though that Iraq faces a better future in the long run without Saddam at the helm.
Posted on: 16 May 2004 by MichaelC
Reading today's Sunday Times it appears that Morgan is looking for two years pay based on his rolling contract. What type of person is he? Puts the lives of our armed services at greater risk, cannot say sorry for publishing faked photographs, and, not forgetting that he is still under investigation for dodgy share deals.
Mike
Mike
Posted on: 16 May 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
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Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:
The photos were fake (and seemed fake pretty much from the start) but it should not be forgotten that the allegations of abuse are still subject to a Military investigation.
Matthew
Matthew
As you will be aware, fake pictures and allegations of abuse are two seperate issues, no matter what Pious Moron would like us to think.
Regards
Mike.
Posted on: 16 May 2004 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:
Originally posted by syd:
So wer'e killing less innocent Iraqis than Saddam is an improvement then?.
Syd
Are we systematically and deliberately killing innocents?
No. Unlike Saddam and the Ba'athists, we are not.
Even if we where, would you rather have the same numbers being killed as under Saddam? I think the ICRC estimate that the British Army has killed 8 non-combatants - I stand to be corrected here.
You may have heard of Hallabjah. 1800 killed by being gassed by the former regime in one day. I also read a report stating that in the prison wherein the US mistreatments occured, 2000 ( thats two thousand ) where executed in one day. ( One day ).
Make of that as you will.
Regards
Mike