Channel 4 Music Hall of Fame

How can Madonna get a place ahead of Prince???

I think that this is technically known in the trade as 'total bollocks'.

I agree with you Paul regarding U2. As good a band as they are they are extremely lucky (along with Madonna) to sneak into the founding members list.

Although the program short list was mostly ok it really felt like the panel of 'experts' were pandering to viewing figures rather than musical ability when shit like the spice girls and Robbie were (unjustly IMO) included.

The tripe from Manchester were also inluded.
One Beatles is enough.

After being on holiday for a fortnight I've got to say I would have thought there would be more conversation on here about this.

The 90's selections weren't too bad, unfortunately you know that most the pop tossers are going to vote for Robbie probably through having never heard the others. I too would probably go for Radiohead from 90's.

The 80's selection was more of a worry with 7 american acts, I'm one for believing that a UK hall of fame should contain UK acts only.

Inevitably there are going to be a number of Gripes, which is probably what the whole thing is about (to get people talking). A few of mine are:

- U2 a founding member, please!, ahead of Stones, Zepplin, Bowie etc etc.
- Madonna, Again probably less deserving than Micheal Jackson for example.
- Marley, He's just not been that big in the UK.

Beatles, Elvis, no-one can surely argue with.

As for the 80's Nominees. Springsteen has been a none event in the UK and means nothing to anyone.

The list of 80s nominees in full is:

Bruce Springsteen
Guns n'Roses
Prince
The Smiths
Joy Division
Beastie Boys
Public Enemy
George Michael
REM
Michael Jackson

The list forms a pretty broad range of 80s music. I'm pleasantly surprised that one of my favourite bands, Joy Division, are there, especially as they effectively finished when Ian Curtis died in May 1980! I was expecting New order to get the nomination.

Guns n'Roses I don't like and I don't own a single record of theirs but I suppose the panel had to include a stadium rock band from that era. Greeny you're wrong: Springsteen was huge in the 80s, particularly around the time of Born in the USA, although he has never been a favourite of mine.

The Beastie Boys should have been included in the 90s nominees instead of the Chilli Peppers. In their place I would have had My Bloody Valentine. Yes I know they released only a few records and their best album, Loveless, came out in 1991, but their influence was (is) huge.

The 60s and 70s should be even more interesting. This is my list of who I think should be in the 70s top ten:

David Bowie
Marvin Gaye
Neil Young
Led Zeppelin
Joni Mitchell
Kraftwerk
Sex Pistols
The Clash
Stevie Wonder
Pink Floyd

But I think the panel will decide to include Abba and probably Elton John too, maybe at the expense of Joni Mitchell and Neil Young?

We shall see...

The whole programme is a load of arse. Flawed nominations, no clear objective as to what the show aims to achieve and that smug bastard who presents it reading insulting and completely unfunny 'jokes' about the bands we're meant to be choosing.

I'm going to stop watching now before the next misrepresentation of a decade takes place. Some of the best music ever came out of the 70s but I'm sure none of it will be on the shortlist

Jonathan

I think you're being a bit unfair in your criticism, Shayman. Who could deny that the likes of Blur, Nirvana, Radiohead, Prince, REM and The Smiths produced some of the finest music of their respective decades?

Yes, there is dross in there and I don't like the presenter very much either but overall it is pretty enjoyable.

I've now come up with a top 10 from the 1960s:

Bob Dylan
Rolling Stones
Jimi Hendrix
The Doors
Smokey Robinson
The Byrds
The Who
The Beach Boys
James Brown
Velvet Underground

I think the certs from this list are Dylan, Stones, Beach Boys and Hendrix. Probables are James Brown, Velvets, Doors and Who, possibles are Byrds and Smokey.

They may well want to put a girl band in there, probably Diana Ross and the Supremes (at the expense of Smokey?). Other possibles could be The Kinks and Van Morrison.

I've looked at my 60s list again and noticed that only two are from this country. Was American music really that much superior?

Paul you think Floyd will survive I have my doubts, judging by some of the other choices made.
Reasonable list from the sixties.

Wot no Shadows?

Howard

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Greeny you're wrong: Springsteen was huge in the 80s, particularly around the time of Born in the USA, although he has never been a favourite of mine.

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Sprinsteen was big for about 6 months when Born in the USA was out, he had no real impact after that (or before), he had about the same impact as Ryan Adams now.

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But I think the panel will decide to include Abba and probably Elton John too, maybe at the expense of Joni Mitchell and Neil Young?

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I think Abba are a certainly (deserved) and Elton is a high probablity. I agree that probably joni and Young/Gaye will probably make way.

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Paul you think Floyd will survive I have my doubts, judging by some of the other choices made.

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Well in the Latest Q they are rated as the Biggest band of all time so you would hope so (the Q rating is based on, Biggest selling album, Number of weeks on album charts and largest concert),, though whether they go into the 60's or 70's group I don't know?

Re the 5 founding members; I think the idea is that each is from a particular decade so in effect the Beatles were chosen over the stones for the 60's. Ultimately the Beatles were 'better' IMHO. By the way I have not watched the program as life is too short (far better to listen to your own choices). Also why Theakston surely somebody else is more qualified?