Christening

Maybe that should be Taunting Somerzet ?

Cheers, Fritz Von It'safreecountry

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Maybe that should be Taunting Somerzet ?

Cheers, Fritz Von It'safreecountry

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I have no hidden agenda Mr Fritz, and I'm certainly not attempting to taunt anyone. I'm just interested in hearing forum members views.

Regards
Clive

I think it's just something people think they ought to do. I'm at a loss to see why, if they ain't church going god fearers, but it's none of my business really. Each to their own I guess.

Cheers

Harry

We didn’t have our twins christened. Religion is a bloody nuisance in our opinion, its divisive and is the cause of intolerance around the world. We did, however, have some friends and their children round, bite to eat, bit of cake for a sort of celebration – it was a very nice memorable day.

My sister and I were christened and when it came to my kids they have been chritened as well.I was brought up going to sunday school /church(Methodist) but stopped at around 13. My misses goes to church most weeks and is an acholyte sp? (CofE).It seemed not to have harmed me so I carry on the "tradition", and again the kids seem to be OK.

Howard

I went to my niece's christening yesterday (Sunday) and it was a totally non-religious experience for the parents despite the vicar trying their best...I'm agnostic but it seems to me people do it because it's just "what you do"

-- woody

I'm agnostic, but my wife is a disillusioned Catholic. She hates organised religion with a passion - (because it promotes hatred, cruelty etc etc), but insisted that we had our kids christened because deep down it means something to her when you strip away the hypocrites that run the show. Fair enough. One of my best friends is a full-on catholic, so I chose him as a godfather, and chose another best mate who is an atheist - to get a balance. A healthy balance I think.
We were not interested in having a family gathering. I couldn't think of anything worse!

Are you mad???

If your child dies before being christened it will suffer torment for eternity. How can you be so irresponsible?

On the other hand, it can be a pleasant day for family and friends to get together and celebrate the infant.

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.I'm agnostic but it seems to me people do it because it's just "what you do"

-- woody

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That's the conclusion I've come to, especially with our friends. They've done it because it just appears fashionable.

I just wonder what the church goers think of people who christen their kids just for that very reason?

Regards
Clive

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Are you mad???

If your child dies before being christened it will suffer torment for eternity. How can you be so irresponsible?

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Damn I didn't think of that! My 10 year old will be dragged down to the local church this Sunday and her head stuck in the Font whether she likes it or not!

Regards
Clive

I do not believe in god, the church, religion etc.

Once upon a time I was christened.

My children have been christened. Why? My parents suggested that although I may not have much time for religion it would perhaps be unfair on my children if they were not christened. I thought this was a fair point. They can make their minds up in the future just like I did.

Oh and there is an opportunity for a gathering of family/close friends.

Mike

Mrs S and I were both brought up as Catholics. I lost my faith many years ago, Mrs S still attends church occasionally, but it is a local CoE church (gives me some free time to play some loud music so I don't complain).

We got married in a CofE church and the vicar said he was pleased to see so many familiar faces (but this was only because he was a regular at the Local Pub!) but that's another story...

We have had both our kids christened (again CofE) if only to allow them to choose later on - it is easier for them if thay have already been christened than having to go through all the 'training' if that is what they decide to do.

The looks on the faces of some of our Catholic relations was a joy to behold when they saw that Miss S was being christened by a WOMAN!!!

Oh yes - I forgot that bit. The bit that says that our loving and caring God will condemn a small baby to hell for all eternity should its parents not have him/her baptised. So of course, this is a community we should all want to join immediately. Sounds more like devil worship.
Personally I believe that loving your children to the extent that you are just maxed out, and to let them know that you love them so much, and make sure that they know how to demonstrate love too, is all the spirituality they need at this stage. Just leave the teaching of hatred and judgement to the church. I should think that God would be relieved that so many have decided to make up their own minds and abandon the church for something a little more considered - even if we don't have a name for it.
Maybe I've become a hippy!

Rasher
Good reply

I was under the impression that if you're not christened you cannot be buried in consecrated ground but as someone who isn't particularly religious I can't remember where I recall hearing this. Perhaps worth checking out - I have no idea where they put you as an alternative though!

Jonathan

Hmmm - interesting thread. I had been wondering from time to time about the question of having master rico christened, and hadn't yet gotten to the bottom of the matter. My overriding feeling is that Mme Rico and I only visit a church when abolutely necessary or for interest's sake, and didn't get married in one for similar reasons. This somewhat heathen position will likely allow master rico to choose his own christening later in life, should he decide he has missed out on anything or feel it is necessary (like as a prerequisite to joining a cult, or becomming a television evangelist).

In the mean time the general approach in Rasher's post above would appear to provide a reflection of my own lossly cobbled-together ideals, although more eloquently put. Nice work, Rasher!

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

As I recall, you can't be married in church unless you've been baptised (as it's properly known in most denominations).

Even if you don't do the religious thing, you should have some sort of naming ceremony with family and friends, and tons of photos that you'll be very glad about down the road.

Regards,
Davie

Being a non religious I was once a godparent. Didn't do me any harm, I even got to shag the mother! A couple of years later that is, after they where divorced, I must ad to those who would now think of me as a completely amoral person.

My current girlfriend comes from a Muslim country (Iraq). That would probably raise some interesting questions if any of us was religious. And the stork would be kind enough to deliver an infant...

JohanR

Are christening and baptising the same thing?

I think it's wrong to admit an infant into a religion, but it's OK to give it a name.

But we did the naming bit when we did the mandatory registration of birth bit, so I don't see any need for ceremony. Do Christians have to name their children 'TBA' and then fix it up later after the church bit?

Paul

Early communion wine gave me the taste for the stuff !

Fritz Von Claret&holygripewaterwunnit

A priest I know defines 'sin' as thoughts or actions that create divisions. Similarly, he defines 'God' or 'goodness' or 'love' as anything that binds people together.

I like these definitions, and in general I'm in favour of ceremonies and formal occasions like Christenings or weddings, because they encourage this binding together.

Personally, I think exploring a spiritual path can be extremely valuable. I don't think it particularly matters whether it's a Christian path, or Buddhist, Muslim, pagan or whatever. But I think one can gain more by taking a long journey down one path than by taking short journeys down several paths - or not taking a journey in the first place.

For those parents that are interested in their child's spiritual development (as well as their own), and want to place it in a Christian context, a baptism can be a meaningful step along the path.

Those that have no interest in that side of things are still taking part in a ceremony involving a public declaration of respect and love for the child and a public declaration of solidarity between the parents, Godparents, and wider congregation.

By my friend the priest's definition, that's a fairly loving and good thing to do.

I too like the sound of a loving God, However I feel some religions may put forward the suggestion of a punitive God, which I don't much like the sound of...

Just wait 'til your father gets home springs to mind.....

"Those that have no interest in that side of things are still taking part in a ceremony involving a public declaration of respect and love for the child and a public declaration of solidarity between the parents, Godparents, and wider congregation. "
I like that Bubblechild & think that your priest buddy is making a lot of sense. With an eye on the above though, would your preist friend accept an atheist as a godparent? or would the "church" not allow it?
My atheist godfather to my daughter lied. I'm not sure it was necessary to do that as his "spitrituality" was not in question.

Rasher,

I'm not sure what my mate the priest would say about an aetheist Godparent - I will ask though: it's an interesting one.

I certainly wouldn't want to try to speak for the Church in general; I frequently feel that its 'official line' is nonsense. I think it's a shame that organised religions deal (and are expected to deal) in 'answers' and 'certainties'...the baby is so frequently thrown out with the bathwater - and worse. Ahh, religion and politics, and badges to identify 'us' from 'them', all much too closely linked...don't get me started.

For what it's worth, the church I go to seems to encourage questions rather than answers, and its view leans towards the idea that if Christianity can be a 'right' path, then that in no way implies that other paths are 'wrong'. That works for me, anyway.

Yours without answers,

Bubble

Bubble - I sat down for a long talk with the priest that Christened my daughter well before the event, and he helped greatly to helping me understand the viewpoint of the Christian church. I agree largely with the spirituality behind it all, but he reminded me at the end of it all that ultimately, he represented and promotes the Christian church, and therefore the rules are clearly written and the bottom line remains the same. Interesting, but ultimately disappointing - but that, I realise now, is my fault for going to the Christian church for something that they don't do. It was almost me wanting them to change the rules just for me - so I do understand that I should have been looking elsewhere. And I respect that.

Paul - Christening is being baptised into the Christian church. Not all baptisms are Christian of course. I am pleased that at last we are dropping the term "Christian Name" for "First Name" or "Forename", although I am sure we could still find a better term for it. The official naming of a child has nothing to do with the church ceremony. The confusion you have on this is a result of all the bullshit we grew up with - where anyone that wasn't a Christian didn't count. "Christian Name" is purely the name given when Christened and nothing else. It is not the correct term for someones first name.