England Player's Silence
Posted by: John Channing on 09 September 2004
I can only congratulate the players for not talking to the media. The reaction from the press sums up why they were right to do it. All the journos know they need access to the player to write the stories that keep them in a job. Their anger should be turned in on themselves, they are the cause of the problem. They need to take a look at the abusive relationship they have established with the England team, you can't expect the players to accept the tripe that has been written in recent days and still come back for more. The balance of power between the British media and our sporting teams has been wrong for a long time, let's hope more people take the initiative to even things up.
John
John
Posted on: 13 September 2004 by Berlin Fritz
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Originally posted by JonR:
Graham old bean,
I suppose I could ask you to explain your last post, but I imagine I'd be wasting my time, besides which, right now I care more about the fact that I can finally use my car again, having had two new keys cut for me this morning after I carelessly lost my hose & car keys on the train last week.
Cost me over two hundred quid, mind
Mucker,
You chaps will be on the Magic Roundabout forever I'm afraid, or you're just playing a silly game ? I compare giving an explantion to the above to asking the price of a Rolls Royce, if you have to ask, you cannie afford it, innit.
Graham George Of Silenceisgolden
Posted on: 14 September 2004 by Mike Hughes
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I agree that Mike's remark about your friends was sarcastic and insensitive, but perhaps he was suggesting that they, and his own friends who work on the Guardian and the Manchester Evening News, all come under the same journalistic umbrella and, as such, are deemed by him as people he simply cannot trust.
Thanks JonR. Absolutely spot on. I do have a tendency toward sarcasm when I can't believe what I am reading and I am utterly insensitive to anyone who will defend the indefensible. Mathew has exemplary music taste; a love of all the right sports and "interesting" views. What's a boy to do?
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As to this issue of the BNP riot at Manchester Town Hall, I cannot believe such an event would not be considered newsworthy enough by anyone for it not to be reported on the night that it happened. Are you really suggesting that the BBC spiked it in their own interests so that it could be shown subsequently on Panorama a few weeks later? And even so, surely other media organisations would have reported it, even the Beeb's local news service?
Even so, the implications are serious. In this scenario what we are faced with IMO is a situation where no-one can trust the reporting of events because the journo's involved are operating some hidden agenda. Then why should we bother buying newspapers, or watching the news at all?
Well now. I don't recall saying it was just the BBC and I am afraid that anyone who belives that stories don't get spiked for journalists own ends is being a little naive.
More importantly, if you can find a single report of the events outside Manchester Town Hall that came out between the night in question and the broadcast of the Panorama programme then there is a drink waiting for you in Manchester/Salford.
The BBC were broadcasting outside and inside the town hall and the MEN and other journalists present were promised certain things if they kept schtum. Others involved on the night were also aware of this and actively encouraged the suppression for their own ends i.e. it would look bad for Manchester etc. My journalist friends denied any knowledge of this despite my partner having witnessed the full horror on the night. After the broadcast, they came clean.
Sometimes the things we don't want to believe are the things we ought to start believing
a) because they're true, and,
b) because then we might get an inkling of just how corrupt the whole thing is.
Cracking example in the past two days. A journo friend of mine asked to run patently false stories on Beckhams' marriage because there is a clamour by certain people to get him out of the England team now he's abroad and thus weaken Sven's hand. Who asked him to run it? A "friend" at the FA? What did she do? Passed the story onto a tabloid that ran with it despite no evidence whatsoever other than the say so of another journo.
Ho hum.
Another example, a player at the club I support (Wrexham) had his career virtually ended after a night out in Manchester when he was attacked by players from a Premiership club. The journos picked up the story but dropped it because the club threatened to cut off access to all players.
Does anyone actually just take the "news" as a given nowadays without asking questions about what they are reading and why???!!!
Mike
Posted on: 14 September 2004 by JonR
Mike,
If what you alledge is true, perhaps the implication is that all journalists, particularly tabloid, consider us lazy suckers who will swallow any salacious gossip to spice up our own otherwise moribund lives. Next to the 'desirability' of a particular story, the truth comes a distant second in this sort of scenario, IMHO.
Apropos the Beckham story, the allegations that he's been driven to the virge of breakdown and his marriage is heading for trial separation is published in today's Metro. Is this just another pack of lies then? If so do we care? How much intrinsic value do we place on the actual truth of story? Is it dependent, do you think, on widespread perceived opinion about the subject of said story?
For example, in Beckham's case, and I'm only guessing here, perhaps he's not been forgiven for his lacklustre performance for England in Portugal. Therefore his stock has fallen. Ergo stories like this arise.
Regards,
JonR
If what you alledge is true, perhaps the implication is that all journalists, particularly tabloid, consider us lazy suckers who will swallow any salacious gossip to spice up our own otherwise moribund lives. Next to the 'desirability' of a particular story, the truth comes a distant second in this sort of scenario, IMHO.
Apropos the Beckham story, the allegations that he's been driven to the virge of breakdown and his marriage is heading for trial separation is published in today's Metro. Is this just another pack of lies then? If so do we care? How much intrinsic value do we place on the actual truth of story? Is it dependent, do you think, on widespread perceived opinion about the subject of said story?
For example, in Beckham's case, and I'm only guessing here, perhaps he's not been forgiven for his lacklustre performance for England in Portugal. Therefore his stock has fallen. Ergo stories like this arise.
Regards,
JonR
Posted on: 14 September 2004 by 7V
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Originally posted by JonR: ... Apropos the Beckham story, the allegations that he's been driven to the virge of breakdown and his marriage is heading for trial separation is published in today's Metro. Is this just another pack of lies then? If so do we care?
I care.
I believe that the tabloids (and perhaps other media) are disgraceful and that they are damaging to our society.
But, other than not buy them, is there anything else that can be done about the situation?
Steve Margolis
defy convention - make music