Helikon SL

Posted by: Chris Bell on 08 March 2002

Anyone out there using a Helikon SL? I have a SL on demo now and it is by far the best cartridge I have heard in my system (LP-12/52/500/DBL). It has the tuneful bass control of my Troika, while offering loads more detail. Individual instruments are extremly well flushed out, with minimal blurring. Needless to say, there has been an orgy of vinyl playing at my house. Metallica has never sounded so good! I am impressed.

I tried out the Lidian Beta a month ago, and while I enjoyed the extra detail, it was not as controlled in the bass as my Troika was (This is a big issue when using DBLs). I only wish now that I could use a Prefix--damn RF!

I would be curious to hear feedback. Now I want to hear the top Lrya cartridge.

Chris Bell

Posted on: 08 March 2002 by woodface
I am amazed that you have got to dem the cartridges.
Posted on: 08 March 2002 by Laurie Saunders
I have used a "standard" Helikon since June 2001(SMEV/Orbe/K-Prefix/Hicap/52/Scap/135...Sounds fantastic. Can`t imagine why a recent review said that Naim USA requested a lower output version to better match the K boards.Seems like the sound of the "standard" Helikon was a little too bloated in the bass....might have something to do with their choice of turntable and arm....(?!!!!)

As far as I am concerned, the standard Helikon is a much better match than the Rohmann(0.25mV) that I was using previously-my helikon made that sound clinical.
Posted on: 08 March 2002 by Ron Toolsie
I have been using the Helikon SL for a week or so now... on the day of installation I had the fortune to hear it side by side with my previous cartridge (Benz Micro Gold) as well as an ArchivB and Troika.

The Benz trailed comfortably in the rear with a splashy and coloured sound, but quite exciting in its own way. The Troika had a beautiful lush and probably quite accurate midrange, but at expense of flabby LF control. The Archiv was more tuneful but lost some delicacy and poise. The Helikon, even brand new-out-of-the-box and quite unran in seemed to outdo all of the other contenders. Grace, poise, tune, detail, dynamics...all in spades. I look forward to it being fully run in,in all likelyhood sometime within the next couple weeks.

Yesterday I also had all of my inner walls reinforced with blown cellulose insulation- before that they were typical American-style hollow sheetrock and drywall with a very effective bass-trapping cavities in the center. I've not yet had the chance to play any music since that- but I most certainly will this evening. If the changes are quite significant, a report will be issued.

Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo


Posted on: 09 March 2002 by Arthur Bye
Chris:

I've had the Helikon SL for about 2 months now. LP12/Aro/Prefix"k"/Hicap/52/135's. After two+ months I find myself still smitten with this cartridge. It's the best I've ever heard (haven't tried any in a higher price range tho) Seems to do everthing quite well. My prior cartridge was a Lydian (pre-Beta). A decided step up.

Seems like a perfect fit for an Aro. Great midrange, sweet highs, tight bass, & high resolution. It also seems to bring out that great "liquid" sound of the Aro. I suppose the bass could go a bit lower, but that might be my setup. As it is it seems to go to 30 Hz without complaint. No muddiness or overlap. It almost makes me forget I've got a ported speaker. I've heard of complaints about a certian edginess in the midrange of the standard Helikon, but I've not deteced any in the SL version.

I also had a problem with the Prefix "K" and RF, but seemed to have conquered most it with judicious cable placement ( I do get some CB noise every once in a while from someone who must have a CB with illegal amounts of gain).

Seems a keeper for me.

Arthur Bye

Posted on: 09 March 2002 by Chris Bell
Arthur,

I noticed that same edgyness in the "red" Helikon as well. I could not understand what all the press hype was about. The SL is totally different. Its like a Troika with several layers of haze removed. All of that extra detail is fun.

When I was at CES this year, I heard a new prototype Lyra cartridge. It was one of the few things that impressed me at the show*.

Chris Bell


*CES was one of the most bizzar events in Hi-Fi I have ever experienced. Here was a typical system on display:

$25,000 ribbon and/or horn speakers
$20,000 mono amps w/ handles or 37 tubes
$17,000 garden hose thick (or bigger) speaker cable
$15,000 pre amp w/ blue glowing knobs
$695 AMC CD player

I wish I was kidding. The concept of source first was totally lost on these people.

Posted on: 10 March 2002 by Chris Bell
Ron,

How are the DBLs sounding now that you have insulated your walls?

Chris Bell

Posted on: 10 March 2002 by Edot
Another happy SL user. Highly recommended. Prior to it I had a Clavis. The Helikon SL is clearly better. A good friend of mine has a Parnassus, SL & a Helikon mono (he has more money than I do). I've heard them all, just not side by side. The Parnassus is really something!
Posted on: 10 March 2002 by Ron Toolsie
quote:
Ron,
How are the DBLs sounding now that you have insulated your walls?

Simply put... DBLs have entirely no business being in a room with flimsy and acoustically translucent walls...they act as a low pass filter to suck out all of the visceral heft the extra $10,000 is supposed to provide you with.

I approached this task in two phases. Firstly the room flooring was just plyboard on top of sheetrock with a nice hollow cavity between. In its native state the music was almost as loud in the room beneath (actually a 3 car garage) than in the main music room- and had far more bass as well. In comparison the music room had an emasculated unbalanced sound that could not be corrected with the Snaxo trim pots. There was also a peaky dysphonic tonal quality to the midrange. Oh, and no imaging whatsoever.
Following packing of this cavity with cellulose insulation things improved by greater a Hicaps worth... the long absent bass was back.. and tuneful to boot. There was a vast reduction in the hashy untimely sound with a far more natural and unforced presentation. The volume pot on the 52 also needed to be rotated 2-3 o'clocks less- a fact which cost me a pair of tweeters in the earlier days (listening at 3 oclock position with a sixpack the achieve the same volume levels that I can now have at 12 o'clock). All in all... well worth the $750-ish-bear in mind this is quite a large room with lots of sq. footage.

After several months of wondering what the effects of the internal walls would be (they too are uninsulated sheetrock/drywall with hollow central cavities)I had them blown with the same cellulose stuff as was in the flooring. This required 2 holes to be punched between every stud, and is somewhat of a messy chore. The insulator guy replaced those sheetrock divots with plugs of styrofoam which he then smoothed over with joint compound- they are yet to be repainted. Interenstingly enough during this process he found there WAS some in-wall insulation to the right of the right speaker (as this then became an outside wall), but none between the speakers and to the left of them. There was also none in the side walls or in the walls of the walk in closet in which I house all the electronics.
The immediately noticeable result is that the sound no longer has the right-side heavy skew.. before that I had to run the balance control in the 11 o-clock position to maintain a dead-center image. No doubt a result of inwall insulation existing only to the right of the right DBL. Further listening again shows an increase in clarity, tunefullness and purity- although it is no louder on any given volume setting. Given that this additional stage cost less than $300, it too was well worthwhile.

Finally the 20A circuit breaker was replaced with a 70A one, that straddles two of the circuits. This then allows me 4 duplex plugs all being fed of this high-current, common earthed feed- giving me the opportunity to electrically connect all 14 powered boxes into it (the Wiremould strip only allows 9). There was the expected improvement in bass extension and upper register articulation.

There is really only one final coup de grace left. When the floor insulation was installed, he had to cut a strip out of the sheetrock beneath.. about a food wide, and spanning the entire width of the room. This has not yet been patched and probably is letting some unwanted sound vent through instead of being contained internally. Eventually I will have that repaired and expect some additional incremental improvements.

To put it into perspective.. I am sure an 82 in the 'treated room' would handily outperform a 52 in the untreated one. That is the level of souring that uncomplimentary room acoustics can inject upon sound.

My ultimate tweak would be to maybe put the DBLs on granite blocks, and to screw sheets of 12-ply onto the walls directly behind each DBL, to further reinforce them. Those will eventually happen.

Any other DBL user out there with suspended wooden floors using masonry beneath the speakers??

Ron
Dum spiro audio
Dum audio vivo


Posted on: 11 March 2002 by Phil Barry
When Chris K says the K boards like low output but can take a 'little' more, I want to add that the Ks in an 82 were listenable playing a Grado Platinum or Sonata (4.5 mv @ std).
Posted on: 11 March 2002 by David Dever
Phil-

This is due to the output voltage rating of the Grado cartridges being (in some instances) highly uprated.

I've seen similar "spitty" things before with "K"-type boards, including the Goldring Excel VX, which, oddly enough, sounded dull on "E"-type boards, yet a bit strident on "K"-type boards. (One's mileage with 32x-series boards may be different, as these tend to live in "softer" preamps.)

Dave Dever, NANA