CDS3 Issues

Hi Greeny,

Last week I went from CDX to CDS3 and would agree with all the points you make - the slower track access [i wondered whether this was common to the new transports/chipsets and therefore was the same with the CDX2]...yes the loading takes a little getting used to [and the lid is slower than the tray - but so much nicer] but on the other hand the puck centres perfectly [which wasn't always the case for me with the CDX] and CDs which would intermiterdly skip [or not read first time] all work perfectly in the CDS3 [including a couple of disks which I had decided were faulty, but since getting them replaced meant tedious returns to the states I just assumed I'd have to live with] - so for me going from CDX to CDS3 I'm happy to live with the slower but more accurate sitting and loading of disks...

and then there is the sound quality!!!!

Can I ask you a question - are you still using your XPS or have you got an XPS2 - I still have the XPS and am curious [though I can't afford this curiosity yet] to know whether the 1000+ to trade the XPS to XPS 2 is worth it...

Leopold

points noted chaps!!
We did have how ever sample several thousand users and timed the process of placing the disc into the mech, lowering the lid and returning to the favoured listening seat, lo and behold its exactly (on average) the time the lid takes and track access!! kicks in!!
Don't you just love it when things work out!

New CDS3 users are impatient. They want to hear the music gush forth before their bum hits the listening chair.



Regards,

Steve.

Greeny,


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Ok these are pretty minor complaints, but they did annoy me. So for those with a CDS3 do you find any of this a problem/annoyance. Would especially like to hear from anyone who has gone from CDX to CDS3.
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Never even thought of these "problems". Just sit back and enjoy the sheer plesure of the CDS3.

So what if it takes an extra 2 seconds to load a cd!

Regards


NB

Paul,

Interesting note. May be a bad assumption.

Personally, based on my experience with LPs (and with unreliable CDPs), I don't go to my seat until the music starts.

Given the cost of the 3, I would think most buyers are also experienced with vinyl, so they want the quick start.

It's the CDS5 - SACDS5 - DVDA5 that should be timed to play as the listener sits down. The preponderance of thos buyers will not have known LPs.

Regards.

Phil
Still seriously happy with the CDS

Leopold,

I would, on the basis of my own home demo, say you did it the wrong way round, i.e. CDS2 or CDX/XPS2 would sound better than CDS3/XPS.

Chris

I specifically have not mentioned sound quality because I wanted this thread to be about these usage aspects.

Leopold.
I already have XPS2 and it made a Big improvemnet on CDX over XPS and for the £1000 outlay (Got £1250 for XPS) was well worth it.

Paul. Good effort mate, but I often insert disk and hit play instantly (not using remote) If those naim remotes were a bit more usable then maybe i'd use it more, however hovering for 5 seconds waiting to press the play was a tad annoying.

Of course this isn't something that is going to stop you buying the player, but wanted to know whether it was normal for the CDS3 (which it obviously is), and whether people just got used to it. And whether it's considered Ok to manually close the flap rather than let it slowly desend itself.

Greeny

No practical experience of the CDSiii but on the CDSii which also has a lid, I often gently assist the lid to lower and press the play button before the display indicates the track count.

This reduces the delay prior to the music start.

Derek

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Greeny

My Rega Planet stars up in a flash.

I am willing to swap.

No need to thank me.

Regards

Mike

On the Yellow Brick Road and happy

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Originally posted by Derek Wright:
on the CDS2 which also has a lid, I often gently assist the lid to lower and press the play button before the display indicates the track count.

This reduces the delay prior to the music start.

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Derek,

exactly what I do with mine.

cheers, Martin

E-mail:- MartinPayne (at) Dial.Pipex.com. Put "Naim" in the title.

Maybe it should behave like other low priced CD and DVD players with the drawer open (lid up) - simply press play and it will close by itself and start playing. Where's the difficulty in this?

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Originally posted by Paul Stephenson:

We did have how ever sample several thousand users .............Don't you just love it when things work out!

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And how many of the several thousand were forum members ???

Surely the ultimate test bed !

I've moved from a CDS2 to a '3' and admit that the lid takes a while to close. But......... it speeds up a bit with some use, and the room temperature affects the descent speed.

I suppose I'd got used to this slight delay with the '2' so it doesn't bother me. On the plus side; the puck centres more easily.

You wanna try a Sony SACD 1 or the next model down (777EX?) - You can make a cup of tea and go for a walk, while it's working out what you have fed it with!

I don't imagine my CDS2 lid closes any quicker than others.

Maybe I never worried about it because I've got a life!

Ade

use your/buy a turntable if you can't wait.
plays in an instant

at the price of a cds3 the only 'issue' it should have is does it make the coffee as well.
one word: accuphase.

I cant believe what a totally inane post this is.

Are you kidding?

I agree with Pauls comment, indeed by the time you have dropped the lid, got back to ones favourite listening chair its cued up and ready to go.

Isn't the ever so slight delay part of the ritual of owning what is now widely acknowledged as the best CD spinner on the planet?

I love the slow descent of the lid. It screams quality mechanism to me after the drop and clonk lids of my CDS1 then 2.

My espresso machine should take 25 seconds to extract the perfect short black.

I am more interested in that frankly.

Listen to the music instead.

[This message was edited by Jonathan Hales on FRIDAY 14 November 2003 at 03:46.]

I cannot beleive that someone's only critisism of the CDS3 is that the lid closes too slowly.

Doesn't sound quality come into it?

Regards

NB

In fairness he did say this thread was not about the sound quality.

regarding the lid. As others have mentioned simply push it shut, it is designed for this.

Also in an emergency (say celin dion has just started on a mix CD) you can simply lift the lid to turn it off, in this case real quickly.

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I love the slow descent of the lid. It screams quality mechanism to me after the drop and clonk lids of my CDS1 then 2.

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I've been meaning to post something about this also.....

My 7-year-old CDS (mk1) lid takes a good 5 or 6 seconds to close. Sounds like Johnathan had a knackered CDS.

regards,

dave

Dave,

There was nothing knackered about either of my players.

Except I'm sure my CDS1 was never quite the same after some thieves stole mine without using the transport screws in which case I hope it was knackered.

My CDS2 lid just never seemed to be slow enough even after painstaking adjustment be my dealer. The 3 just seems to have a lovely, well damped closing action with a gorgeous electronic clicking noise once the lids completes its travel, rather like something BMW or Audi would make.

A CDS2 is far from inferior, but again, I come back to the point that this is a benefit not a downside of owning the newer player.

Glad most agree.

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My CDS2 lid just never seemed to be slow enough even after painstaking adjustment be my dealer. The 3 just seems to have a lovely, well damped closing action with a gorgeous electronic clicking noise once the lids completes its travel, rather like something BMW or Audi would make.

A CDS2 is far from inferior, but again, I come back to the point that this is a benefit not a downside of owning the newer player.

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Jonathan (sorry for the earlier misspelling!),

Agreed regarding the slow descent of the CDS-class players....nice touch Naim! 'Shame about your CDS (1 and 2)--at least it didn't hurt performance.

best regards,

dave

Jonathan. My thoughts exactly (well apart from the short-shot)... I never bothered to notice the differences in load times, so beguiled was I with the music.

Paul - now you mention it, the '3 is better - I don't find myself having to hit play again when I sit down having missed the start of the track as I walk across the room (habit you see, I usually press play after loading disk), as I did with the '2.

Question for Greeny - have you ordered a CDS3, or are you looking for excuses not to?

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

Originally posted by Rico:
Jonathan. My thoughts exactly (well apart from the short-shot)...
Rico - SM/Mullet Audio

So what's wrong with my short shot time?

Havent heard my stereo since Saturday morning due to short term inebriation in Martinborough so gagging to get home.

Cheers,

Jono.

I would like to take this opportunity to say a big warm and heartfelt THANKS to the wise members of this, the "hi-fi" forum for saving me the not insubstantial dollarage that lies betwixt my old CDS2 and the shiny new CDS3 that I have been coveting since my recent weeklong home demonstration.

Amazed though I was by the musical properties of the new player, I couldn't help feeling a darkness in the room whenever I changed a CD, almost as if the grim reaper hisself was clutching at me throat with them bony claws of his.

Mystery solved. Thanks to the fine people of this forum I now know these things of the beast :

1) It takes a few seconds before it starts, which is a few seconds too long in today’s busy world.

2) It takes a few seconds to switch tracks. Ditto to the busy world thing.

and two more specifically LID related :

3) Its LID takes a fuggin long time to close which is too fuggin long when the business of modern life is factored in.

4) Its LID gets quite dusty, especially if you stick it in a dusty room and then don't clean the dust off it.

I have given the beast a name and in doing so have exorcised my lustfulness for it into eternity. Thanks to YOU !

Sorry Mr Murphenstein