Linn Akiva cartridge - another review

Posted by: paul99 on 23 January 2003

Colleagues,

I have just taken delivery of an LP12, EKOS, Akiva, Lingo and Linto from Martin Kleiser. Actually, owing to varoius problems the delivery was made over the period from the beginning of November last year.

It is very likely that the Akiva set-up reviewed by Mike Lacey was mine.

I am glad that he liked my system.

However my opinion is rather different. Here then is my review of the Akiva, in all probability the very same cartridge as that reviewed by Mike Lacey.

Installation used for the review tests:

The installation of the Linn equipment was performed together with a Linn dealer (Colin Macey)and is to the best of our knowledge a satisfactory installation. The sound colouration does not exist with other inputs including other turntable/arm/cartridge arrangements.

Equipment used for the tests were: Linn: Akiva, Ekos, LP12, Lingo, Linto, Quad: 34, 707, ESL63s.

Review´:

This weekend I took delivery of my new LP12 again but with a new EKOS arm and Akiva cartridge. The Akiva replaces the Dynavector cartridge fitted as a temporary measure. Due to manufacturing defects and short-circuits the arm and some other components had also been changed. Here are a few comments on the Akiva as it operates in this set-up.

First point is that the mid-range bloom that I experienced with the previous Dynavector cartridge is much reduced but still present. The Akiva delivers a very hard muscular sound. When listening to rock or jazz music, the effect is very dynamic and involving. Problems set in when the recording has a large mid-range component, such as forward vocals, the mid-range bloom becomes a distracting honk.

The colouration produced by the cartridge/arm/turntable arrangement is such that differences between recordings are masked, everything comes out hard and aggressive.Even relatively gentle classical music (say, RVW Oboe Concerto) becomes aggressive, the deeper stringed instruments come in with a jazz-club-style punch. You don't hear the performance or its subtleties, all you hear is Linn.

It is said that the Akiv, and by inference the Akiva, extracts a large amount of information from the groove, this may well be the case but if so, the colouration obscures all this additional information. So bad is the mid-range bloom that while playing a recording of the "Ode to Joy" finale, I had the impression that I was listening to the music using a cheap pair of boxy loudspeaker rather than ESL63s.

My pre-amplifier features a filter which allows a step in the frequency response to be set. I think that this is intended to overcome room resonances. This filter can be used to reduce the mid-range honk. Listening to the effect of the various filter settings, I would judge that there is a bump, or flattened peak, in the frequency response of the LP12 combination somewhere between about 100Hz and 350Hz. I have since been informed that the "word on the street", so to speak, is that the peak in frequency response is at about 250 Hz.

This non-flat frequency response would explain the, by some people admired, punchy Linn sound. I can quite understand that this bass/mid range bump would lift a, let's say not so good, HiFi out of the doldrums and give an instantly impressive sound with the right kind of music.

It is almost pointless to try to compare the sound of a HiFi system with the "original sound", we don't what it is and even, in a studio or multi-miked set up, if it ever existed. What we can tell though, is do different pieces of music, different musicians, different recording venues sound different, can we hear these subtle, and not so subtle, differences? With the LP12, Akiva and so on, the answer is no. Everything sounds as though it were recorded in a jazz dive and, perhaps exaggerating slightly here, played by a jazz band. The Linn colouration obscures all this information. The LP12 converted my HiFi system (based upon the stunningly clear and neutral ESL63s) into a boom-box.

In conclusion, a cartridge with plenty of punch, good for rock or jazz. However, for listeners with good quality, neutral amplifiers and loudspeakers, the colouration will prove tiring. Particularly worrying is the way that all the different sound textures that can result from different collections of instruments, different scoring, different acoustics, different ways of playing are all lost and replaced with an aggressive punch. The musical and acoustic intentions of the composer, the musicians and the recording engineers are all but lost.

Quite a bit different, isn't it?

I do welcome and, in fact expect, comments. I am as surprised by the LP12/Ekos/Akiva performance as I am fairly sure you are.

I want to stress that I have been very careful in ensuring that the performance noted was due to the addition of the LP12 to my system and not the uncovering of other latent problems.
Posted on: 25 January 2003 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:
Originally posted by Don Atkinson:



On balance, I feel I should cry for you. You dipped your toe in the hifi water. You have received, IMHO, mediocre service,
Don


Don

Reading through his posts, Paul had his deck in november, the dealer installed it in his house ( distance from shop not known ) he has already had a replacement Ekos and the deck looked at again, and three months down the line offers a full refund = poor service?

What else does he have to do?

Without knocking Paul, he does seem to be exceptionally demanding.

I really think you should withdraw that comment, or at least apologise. The dealer real has gone the extra mile here. If you differ then it is of course your prerogative.

Mike

ps - I have no connection with the dealer at all, except as a very happy customer.

M.
Posted on: 25 January 2003 by Martin Payne
Paul,

if you still have the LP12 for the moment - a couple of suggestions.

Firstly - does your deck have a 'trampolinn' on the bottom? Perhaps you could try it with the standard hard feet instead?

As has been mentioned elsewhere here, the LP12 is extremely critical of what it stands on, in exactly the areas you are criticising. I would definately suggest you try a decent stand for it before rejecting it completely.

I am also very sure that an LP12/Aro would suite your needs much better than an LP12/Ekos, although you may well be a Lingo-lover rather than an Armageddon-admirer.

I've also recently heard a Dynavector 17d2 in an Ekos, and it was wonderfully smooth, clean and lean. I have never been a fan of Linn cartridges, as they don't seem to have the lean-ness that I want.

To summarise, the arm and cart may be the last two components that you should keep.

Sorry!, Martin
Posted on: 25 January 2003 by Rico
Most interesting.

With the greatest of respect, For those who are annoyed by such an "obvious bass hump" when comparing a Rega Planar 3 to an LP12 are clearly missing something... its called music.

If you prefer the lean presentation of a Planar 3 (cracking turntable at its price, BTW) and the lesser ammount of information, detail, groove, and emotion, then so be it. But to listen to the tunes a halfway decent LP12 plays, and be distracted by some of the hifi artifacts/compromises?

Perhaps that P9 suggestion is valid. The metronome that's replaced the drummer when you placed the record on the P9's platter certainly won't distract!

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
Posted on: 26 January 2003 by paul99
Colleagues,

Once again thanks for all the advice.

I have deliberately not described the whole saga with the LP12 etc because I wanted to collect technical and practical advice about a subject I clearly know little about

Although I have had the LP12 since November it is only last weekend that it actually worked. The various trips back to the dealer were to deal with serious problems which may or may not have been the dealer's fault.

Problems include:

Short circuit between signal ground and LP12 chassis. (One trip back.)

Further short between signal ground and chassis.

Damping mechanism fell out of housing.

Chipped lid.

Inconsistent finish on plinth.

Motor buzzing and whirring.

Quite frankly most customers would have returned this lot long ago. I am however patient, just like the dealer, and want to give Linn a chance.

My only complaint is that I would have preferred the dealer has set up the LP12 in my home originally, it would have saved me a few journeys.

I am pleased that the dealer has agreed that I can return the equipment and would like to leave it at that.

However, I am now considering that it may be best just to start again.

Regards,

Paul.
Posted on: 26 January 2003 by MarkEJ
quote:
Originally posted by paul99:
Although I have had the LP12 since November it is only last weekend that it actually worked.

<snip>

Problems include:

Short circuit between signal ground and LP12 chassis. (One trip back.)

Further short between signal ground and chassis.

Damping mechanism fell out of housing.

Chipped lid.

Inconsistent finish on plinth.

Motor buzzing and whirring.


Paul, to be quite honest, I have to applaud the patience of both you and your dealer. Having said that, it does rather sound as if your particular LP12 was not just built on a Friday, but Friday 13th...

It is a sensitive instrument, but when the right (for your situation) combination of variables is arrived at in terms of support, presence of baseboard/Tramp, PSU, phono stage, arm and cartridge (in that or any other order of importance), it should be consistently excellent year in year out.

Don't give up -- it's all worth it.

Best;

Mark
Posted on: 26 January 2003 by Don Atkinson
Paul99, Mike Lacey, and of course, the dealer.

It’s a bugger isn't it ?

You join in a forum topic, read the various posts at face value, give the guy who's asking for advice your opinion, and the next thing you know, you've upset half the forum and you're being asked to apologise.

Now I STILL haven't read everybody's posts on this topic with the fine toothcomb of a lawyer, nor have I read all the related topics, other than a few posts in Mike's topic on the Akiva that he started back in December. And I don't intend to, life's too bloody short as it is anyway !! Also, I appreciate we've only heard one side of this story.

Paul99, Your last few posts, in which you indicate you haven't revealed all the material facts, leave you open to fair criticism. Post all the bloody facts and let people help you openly. You are beginning to appear to be a whinger IMHO.

Mike, you might have a point, but to date, with the facts as revealed, I still think that the service provided was mediocre. I appreciate that we have only heard one side of this story, and by his own admission, Paul99 hasn't revealed all the material facts. I also sympathise with the dealer who would find it incredibly difficult defending himself on a forum like this. As I said, it's a bugger, isn't it. BTW I referred to mediocre service, not poor service.

As I understand it, Paul99 coughs up the best part of £5k, has to install the t/t himself, doesn't like what he hears, undergoes a number of trips back to the dealer with a string of faults, any one of which should have alerted the dealer to a potentially serious problem and at no time (until the elapse of about 3 months) does the dealer visit the customer. Paul99 comes onto the forum and gets a load of advice about setting up his t/t, (most of which should only be contemplated by a competent LP12 technician or dealer). But the most serious part of the problem and the reason I referred to a mediocre service is that the dealer didn't deliver and set up the kit in the first place and make absolutely sure it sounded right. If it needed a proper table (or cable, or tracking weight etc etc) to get it to sound right, the dealer should have explained (and demonstrated) this insitu. All he allegedly does is offer to exchange faulty components or give a refund. If it's Linn's policy and that of most dealers not to install £5k worth of new, delicate/sensitive/temperamental t/t then I am flabbergasted with the current hifi world. But I still think the dealer should have visited sooner, given the reported disappointment and the reported defects.

Anyway, it seems like the dealer has now visited. Has he got the t/t system set up properly, Mike seems surprised that it is sitting on a heavy piece of furniture (so am I). Paul99 still doesn't seem to like what he is hearing. Did he make this clear to the dealer during the setup ? It's now 3 months since he heard it in the shop and, IMHO, in that time he's lost confidence in everything associated with this t/t.

Paul99, IMHO, if the music now sounds right AND the dealer is still offering you the chance to return the lot for a refund, then you have got to make a decision NOW and live with it. IMHO if you like the music, keep the kit. If you have any lingering doubts, go for the complete refund. Don't bugger around.

My views could well change if new material facts come to light, or if I find that I have mis-understood something already published.

The above was typed as I thought. I can't be bothered to refine it. There is no offence intended to any party. You take it or you leave it, and your views are respected whatever they are (well, almost whatever they are !)

Cheers

Don

[This message was edited by Don Atkinson on SUNDAY 26 January 2003 at 19:45.]
Posted on: 26 January 2003 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Don

No offence taken.

I first bought hifi kit from the branch manager Colin in the mid 80s. He really knows how to set up an LP12; I am utterly delighted with my Akiva, have updated my review last night. I am trying to get The Nagger out for an evening and Malcolm Davey and Seagull will be over - you are most welcome to come up and listen to my system to see how good it can sound.

Without being rude to Paul, he does seem to have had a strangely high coincidence of faults with his Sondek. If it was his LP12 that I heard back in december, it sounded great to me at the time. He does seem to approach music in a manner that is new to me - for example, he refers to looking at circuit diagrams to see if an amp matches a preamp ( from memory. )

Maybe he should sell the Quad and buy Naim amps and speakers?

Well, this is the Naim forum!

See you at the Bristol Show.

Mike
Posted on: 26 January 2003 by Don Atkinson
Mike,

I would love to hear music through your system, just let me know when, and providing i'm not working etc i'd be honoured to join your party. Also look forward to meeting you and others at the hifi show.

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 27 January 2003 by Rico
Don you are of course absolutely right - it is in fact down to the dealer. And Linn - almost sounds like a "made on a friday" LP12. And assembled on a friday arvo... etc etc etc.

Patrick - fine points. Paul99 - coume on, out with it... what is this other TT you are hoping the Ekos will work on? Why not just buy a cakestand, Roxy X, or P9 and be done! Smile

Rico - SM/Mullet Audio
Posted on: 27 January 2003 by paul99
Colleagues,

I can see that a certain suspicion of my comments is creeping in and I seem to be the cause of arguments. So ....

I was reluctant to say anything much about the problems (apart from sound quality) I have had with the LP12 etc because then it really would have sounded like whingeing. The fact that I have had to go back to the dealer twice after collecting the LP12 and that it has taken two and a bit months to get it to work at all reasonably, has nothing to do with seeking opinion and technical advice.

As I have said before, I have found all the technical and practical comments and suggestions illuminating.

I also haven't said anything about my dealings with Linn. I had to do some work to discover where the problems lay and I wanted some technical help from Linn about earthing arrangements, neither they nor the dealer could help.

I had to buy a multi-meter (the cold in the garage seems to have done for my old one) in order to find out what the problems were.

I also had some problems with the extended warranty forms. I am not overly upset when technical products don't work, but this was one thing which did hurt me. Linn have agreed to honour the extended warranty so there's no harm done.

It has been a sorry tale, but, despite appearances, I am patient and tolerant and I would not say that I am particularly dissatisfied with my treatment, not completely happy of course.

The other confusing point, perhaps, is my reluctance to play about with the set up. It is because I work abroad and am at home only rarely. Under other circumstances I would play with the adjustments. My plan was to buy a new turntable, so that I could take the Rega to Germany (where I work) and to enjoy the new turntable over the Christmas and New Year break and on the occasional weekends when I come home.

Given that I have little time, I decided to buy everything from a single manufacturer so that it all works together with no fuss. I chose Linn because of their reputation and because, as the web-site explains, the dealer will deliver the equipment and deal with the set up and all adjustments.

I have never had serious problems with any HiFi component, so I did not expect any problems this time. I explained exactly what other equipment I have in the system and how any new turntable would be positioned.

My apparently strange approach, circuit diagrams and so on? Well, I used to be an electronics engineer (I can hear the groans already).

So, that is absolutely everything there is to know.

I think that clears up all the points.

Oh. What other turntable? Well I like the look of the Michell Orbe. I am somewhat encouraged that on a HiFi review site I found ten reviews of the Orbe, all (or at least the majority) of which were written by people who previously owned LP12s and couldn't get on with them.

This is probably a duff idea as well.

I am not sure when I am back in the UK again, but before I hand any equipment back I shall certainly spend a short time trying out some of the suggestions.

I am trying to arrange my next trip back to the UK so that I can deal with many things in one go, including this turntable nonsense. Mike Lacey - as you and I seem to be the main protagonists in the "it's great, it's not so great" controversy, you are invited to hear how it sounds. My UK home is fairly local to the dealer. (I am new to this forum - I presume that private messages can be sent, so that we could organize this, if you are interested.)

As I said at the beginning, thanks to everyone for the advice and helpful suggestions. I feel that I have learnt a lot.

Regards,

Paul.
Posted on: 28 January 2003 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Paul

A very kind invitation. To send private emails, click on my name and then on "start a private topic " or somesuch.

I look forwards to seeing you soon.

Regards

Mike
Posted on: 30 January 2003 by Markus S
Just to add my 2p worth ... and to muddy the waters for you Brits.

I, too, don't like the LP 12 all that much. In a demo at the sound org way back when, I compared it to the then-new Roksan Xerxes and bought the Roksan (which, I'm sorry to say, led to a number of problems I probably wouldn't have had with a Linn, which normally is a sorted product that proves to be long-term reliable).

It's also no surprise that someone who's into Quad 63s doesn't get on with the Linn's mid-bass hump. It is much less of a problem with speakers which have their own mid-bass problems, like most bass reflex designs; the Linn's problems will be masked by the speaker's problems. The Quad has its problems in other regions.

My solution for the last 12 years or so has been a Platine Verdier; if I had to buy new, I'd save some money and get the Nouvelle Platine Verdier, a smaller - and cheaper - table that is different-but-equal to the original and is reported to work well with an Ekos.

It's available in Germany, Paul99, where you say you work (not sure about British availability), very easy to set up and travels well. And it outperforms the top LP 12 substantially, especially in the bass.
Posted on: 30 January 2003 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:
Originally posted by MarkusS:
Just to add my 2p worth ... and to muddy the waters for you Brits.

I, too, don't like the LP 12 all that much. In a demo at the sound org way back when,



And it outperforms the top LP 12 substantially, especially in the bass.


Hi Markus

You might be interested to har the new top end Linn stuff, if you last heard it way back when, as there have been substantial improvements made even in the last three years in areas such as the cartridge, phono stage, cartridge, drive, bearings etc.

I would love to hear something that substantially outperforms the Linn....wait, that would mean I would want to buy it....

Mike
Posted on: 31 January 2003 by paul99
Markus,

Your view coincides with mine exactly. Turntable colouration can be obscured by loudspeaker colouration, especially with bass-reflex designs.

Infact, an attempt to achieve an extended bass-response with a bass reflex loudspeaker could put a dip in the frequency response just where the LP12 has its bump. Not that one can really compensate for the other.

Your turntable recommendations have come a little late.

During the period between the initial delivery of my LP12 and my eventual location of the second short-circuit, I began to despair of the thing ever working at all and had a look at other turntables. I heard a demo of the Michell Orbe with SME V arm and Ortofon Rohmann cartridge.

I thought that if I never get this thing to stop humming or otherwise work propoerly, I'll get that instead. That's what I'm doing.

I am considering keeping the Linto phono-amp. but will probably end up returning that as well.

Which of course means that I need a new phono stage. I can use the QUAD's MC module for the time being.

I am told (by Mike L.) that Naim make quite reasonable pre-amps.

Would they want me as a customer?

By the way, what do you consider are the ESL63's weaknesses?

Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

Paul.
Posted on: 31 January 2003 by Markus S
Mike,

I probably should have said that I didn't like the Linn then, and I still don't much rate it - for my tastes. But I have heard current spec Linns on a number of occasions, though never at home.

Paul 99,

large scale transients on power music, way better than average but still limited micro dynamics, and prat. Apparently, some of the limitations can be overcome by structural reinforcements and some work on the delay lines that trigger the Quad's concentric panels, but my knowledge is not too deep there.

I've never heard the Orbe, but had a Michell-alike turntable (the Transrotor Delight) before I got the Xerxes. Good luck with your new stuff.


Markus
Posted on: 31 January 2003 by paul99
Markus,

Excuse my ignorance, what is "prat".

Regards,

Paul.
Posted on: 31 January 2003 by Markus S
Paul99,

excuse my use of acronyms. Pace, rhythm and timing - the things held dearest by most of the forum members.

I certainly don't want to say that the Quad doesn't time. But it wouldn't be my first choice for hard rock or other music that relies on hitting you square on the head with the rhythm. On the other hand, few speakers will handle a melody line as beautifully as a Quad. If the Orbe sounds like the other Michell turntables, only better, you've probably made a good choice. Do let us know how you like the results.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen


Markus
Posted on: 05 February 2003 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Paul

Being keen to find out what others think of the Akiva I carried out a Google search using the words "Linn Akiva". Of the few results that turned up, two had pretty much the review taht you have given at the head of this thread; one on Extreme Phono ( useful LP12 discussion forum, with a pdf of a turntable stobe, BTW ) the other on AudioReview.com. You will be aware that there has already been some robust defence of the Sondek in reply to your comments.

Why are you doing this? What is the point?

I do not wish to be rude but it does seem to be sour grapes. You listened to the kit at the dealers; your own system is vastly different from that which you heard - and you did not like it when you listened to it at home.
You have made comments about build quality, you seem to have had bad luck with the arm (which looks to have been sorted fairly rapidly by the dealer, no surprise there) but I think that there is a fundamental sound that you like from your Quad kit that simply does not sit well with the Linn.

With respect I wuld suggest that if the dealer was to post back, he would be able to make some Interesting Points..they will not do so but your actions do you no credit.

I genuinely do hope you find your audio Nirvana - we have corresponded on this - and wish you well.

But please stop spreading bad comments which will not be answered by Linn or the dealer about equipment that has bought a great deal of joy to the vast majority of us who own have tried it.

Regards

Mike
Posted on: 10 February 2003 by sittertal
Hello Mike

I also saw the posts of Paul99 and I thought I wait until my Akiva is mounted. That is now the case. I listened for about 15 hours in the last 3 days after the initial excitement there is something that's beginning to bug me: some records have an annoying metallic sound particularly music with steelguitar or brass.

How many hours does it take to run in the Akiva? Did you make the same observations in the first few hours or did the dealer run it in?

Regards
Paul
Posted on: 12 February 2003 by Don Atkinson
Let Sleeping Dogs Lie

I thought this thread had died.

It's about time ALL the facts were put on the table by Mike (on behalf of the dealer) and Paul99.

Any chance of that guys ??

Cheers

Don
Posted on: 12 February 2003 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
Hi Don

Good point - I will categorically state that I have no connection with the dealer at all, except as a ( very ) satisfied customer. I am not a shareholder in Martin Kleiser, I have never worked for them or any hi-fi related organisation and I am not related by blood or birth to their staff. Simply a happy customer.

The reason that I seem to have sprung to the defense of MK is that I been a customer of the Beaconsfield manager, Colin Macey, since the late 80s. I have bought quite a bit of kit following his demon A/B dems or recommendations, and have not regretted any purchase for an instant. ( well, apart from guilt at the Akiva..) I view Colin as theman for LP12s; it seems Linn rate him highly as I gather he had the very first release of Akivas in the world. When I see postings suggesting that he has sold kit that is less than optimal, my sense of fair play does spring into action. It may well be that I have heard Pauls' LP12, along with malcolm Lawson - it was good enough to make me buy an Akiva, and I will be buying a Lingo 2 at some stage.

Looking at Pauls postings he does not seem to like what Linn offer. As simple as that. He has kindly offered me a visit to his house to listen to his set up; various commitments meant I could not.( unfortunately. ) With respect to Paul, snippets of info did seem to be released rather slowly, and in fact I still feel the title of this post is not accurate - it is not a review of the Akiva, but reasons why Paul prefers his Quad kit to Linn. As I posted elsewhere, the system I heard was able convey emotion as well as musicality well enough to bring a tear to my eye - while sober. I gather that a German HiFi mag has just reviewed the Akiva and declared it the best cartridge in the world. I feel so smug!

I have no doubt that Martin Kleiser would be able to post some interesting comments on this whole affair - but I would be very surprised if they did. They have done the right thing by Paul and refunded - good dealership IMHO. The only way they would is with Pauls' expicit consent - and even then, I think they would demur.

Don, feel free to question me on anything I have raised. And the invite to listen to my kit still stands ( you will have to slum it with an 82/Hicap; Supercap likely soon) as soon as I can get The Nagger away for an evening.

Paul, if you read this, I really do hope that you find what you are looking ( listening ) for.

Regards

Mike
Posted on: 12 February 2003 by Tarquin Maynard - Portly
quote:
Originally posted by sittertal:
Hello Mike

after the initial excitement there is something that's beginning to bug me: some records have an annoying metallic sound particularly music with steelguitar or brass.

How many hours does it take to run in the Akiva? Did you make the same observations in the first few hours or did the dealer run it in?

Regards
Paul


Hi sittertal

I have not noticed this - one rather rude sounding point is that steel guitar and brass are metal, and so a metallic sound......

Mine seems to get better and better. I have probably heard 20-30 hours so far, the control that I hear seems to improve constantly. I am spending less time with my children - make of that what you will! What kit do you use? Mine is flat earth Linn / Naim. Works a treat IMHO.

Regards

Mike
Posted on: 13 February 2003 by Malcolm Davey
I echo Mike's comments regarding the Dealer. I heard, as Mike says, what we guess was Pauls T/T. Horses for courses but it sounded bxxxxx good!
Posted on: 13 February 2003 by sittertal
What kit do you use? Mine is flat earth Linn / Naim.

Hello Mike

My system: LP12/Ekos/Lingo2/Linto/Kairn/2250/Kaber.
I must say that the Ekos is 10 years old and probably has a very slight bearing dammage. When I make the test with the up and down movement (piece of paper droped from 10 mm to the headshell) there are areas where the arm moves more slowly. Altough the dealer says it's still better than an Ittok.
BTW: Of course sound metal instruments metallic but they shuldn't sound harsh.

Regards
Paul
Posted on: 13 February 2003 by David C
Paul,
I am sorry that I did not see this thread earlier. I currently have:-
Lp12/Aro/14D2/Geddon/Trichord Deliphini mk2
BAT VK-40 pre
assorted power amps, Nap 250, Krell KAV-150a
Quad ESL 988's.
The lp12 is on mana phase 5 and the electronics are on mana phase 2.
I have not experienced the problems that you have talked about with an Lp12 in the Quad system. One of my friends has an Orbe feeding quad 6 series components into 989's.

There is comment here about quad not timing. I cannot comment about the electronics but I think that you would be hard pressed to find a faster speaker than an ESL. The bass issue is 99% positioning and stands. You need space for Quads, they also sound much better raised on stands the Arcici's I believe were the best stands for the 63's. I am currently investigating some custom mana options for my 988's.
I think it was Martin M (sorry if I have the wrong Martin) on this forum that found the only speakers that he could live with upon replacing his 63's was DBL's. I would not look at shooting them.
Do you have a CD or tuner source that is your constant reference point in the TT crisis?

The lp12 has a lot more swing and boogie than the Orbe in a Quad System. However, that does not mean that the Orbe is not a musical deck, the Orbe is much much quieter and was more dynamic than the lp12. If I had the money I would have both, not either, they both bring different things to the party.

I am not the pipe and slippers quad listener with a passion for jazz and classicl. I mainly listen to Floyd, Stones, Dylan and then stuff like New Order and Depeche mode. I want a fast clean and musical system.
Regards
David