Carlo Maria Giulini

Posted by: Tam on 24 July 2006

A short while ago, Graham suggested that the last great conductor was Carlos Kleiber. Tempering descretion with valour I decided not to argue as to whether a certain conductor of Australian origin whose name I mention occasionally qualifies. However, I did mention Giulini, who died a little more recently than Kleiber. Rubio's comments on the Brahms thread, prompted me to raise him as a thread.

Giulini is a conductor whose work I don't know as well as I ought and whom I have only come to appreciate slowly. His Figaro was the first opera CD I ever owned (and one of my favourite opera recordings), but I didn't at first warm to it - I think because at that time I'd yet to see a good opera in the flesh and wasn't yet. I have since acquired his wonderful Don Giovanni too, both of which leave me wishing he had recorded more by way of Mozart operas.

My other main encouters with Giulini have been his Verdi. There is, of course, his Don Carlos which I have discussed extensive before (search for Don Carlos if interested, or see the link on the 'classical threads worth reading' thread) and even though I hanker after a French translation or a reading with the cut before the premier opening scene, it remains uneclipsed.

This (coupled with an interesting booklet about the Edinburgh festival chorus that was distributed last year, which noted they did the work with him often and, after Mackerras, he conducted them the most times), prompted me wonder about his Verdi Requiem. Again, I have discussed this elsewhere. But Giulini conducted it a great many times in the 60s and became closely associated with it. What a pitty then, that the studio recording, with the wonderful voice of Schwarzkopf, suffers so horribly from clipping in the louder passages. However, I recently picked up an EMI/BBC DVD which blew me away. Aside from a wonderful performance in musically terms, what struck me most was how clearly Giulini was in love with this work. Extended shots of the conductor didn't bug me in the slightest as they so often can (as I've said several times, I cannot recommend this disc highly enough).

The seem to have been doing Giulini proud - they have two Requiems available (one is the DVD performance on CD, the other a stereo Proms account I hope to acquire soon). They also have his Britten War Requiem. I know people who speak very fondly about the 1968 Edinburgh festival performance where Giulini conducted the Philharmonia and Britten took the chamber forces. The three soloists for whom the piece was written were also there. I met a lady at the festival last year who managed to sneak in to the rehearsals and was struck by how utterly Britten deferred to Giulini's judgement in a 'yes maestro, what do you want me to do with this bit...' sort of way. Sadly, the version the BBC taped comes from the next years proms and only Pears remains. And despite oddities on the tape it is a stunning reading that I feel eclipses the composer's own.

Recently, in a Schubert spending spree I ordered is great C major (thanks again to the BBC) and am greatly looking forward to its arrival.

But, it seems this is an extremely limited list of composers and I wonder what other works Giulini put on disc that are worth investigating.

In the gramophone obituary the described him as something along the lines of the 'gentle maestro'. I have an idea what they meant, in that he delivered great performances without getting in the way of the music, and even when, as in the DVD, the focus was all on him, somehow it was still all on the music.


regards, Tam
Posted on: 25 July 2006 by Rubio
Dear Tam,

If you like Bruckner, Giulini's recordings of the 7, 8, and 9 are amongst many considered reference recordings; especially the 9th (which also is more easily available - the other ones must be ordered from Japan). I really liked his Brahms 1 with LAP, and now I want to explore some of his other Brahms recordings. Some described the Brahms recordings as being "fairly expansive, rather grand in manner but at the same time intensely lyrical and compellingly structured", which I think is a good description and probably somehow suits Giulini interpretations in general.

I also heard a nice Tchaikovsky 6 (Pathetique) by Giulini and LAP. I haven't really fallen for Tchaikovsky's symphonies in general, but I especially liked Giulini's first movement which was very beautiful.

I can see that he has made a Mahler 9 which has recieved very good reviews. Very tempting I must say Smile. A pity that he didn't record much more of Mahler (although I think a Mahler 1 exists) and Bruckner.

I'm very curious about the Schubert 9 and look forward to hear your impressions on this CD.
Posted on: 25 July 2006 by Tam
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Originally posted by Rubio:
I can see that he has made a Mahler 9 which has recieved very good reviews. Very tempting I must say Smile. A pity that he didn't record much more of Mahler (although I think a Mahler 1 exists) and Bruckner.

I'm very curious about the Schubert 9 and look forward to hear your impressions on this CD.


I was rather tempted to get the Mahler 9 as it is coupled with the Schubert unfinished however, I decided (in a rare moment of restraint) to wait until I've heard the 9th (still didn't come the post today [disappointed smiley]) - I will of course post back with my thoughts on it.


regards, Tam
Posted on: 26 July 2006 by Todd A
Giulini was – hell, is – one of the very greatest of conductors. In addition to the mentioned recordings, surely his remaining Verdi opera recordings deserve mention. His Rigoletto is superb, and his Il Trovatore (recently reissued as a DG Original) and even his Falstaff deserve serious attention. (The last mentioned may be too serious for some tastes.)

His late career recordings tended to be very slow and devout, but damn! Faure’s Requiem is mesmerizing, as is Mozart’s, and Giulini’s Bach B-minor mass is among my favorites. It is decidedly un-HIP, though, be warned.

His Eroica with the LAPO is also one of my favorites – right up there with Furtwangler and Klemperer and Erich Kleiber. Also, his accompanying role to Michelangeli in the odd numbered LvB piano concertos is more than worth hearing.

And the 4-disc EMI tribute for his 90th birthday should be a snap-it-up decision. The Bruckner 9 is as good as the DG set, but in a different way; the Mahler 1 is excellent; the Brahms 4 likewise; even the Stravinsky pieces are good.


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Posted on: 26 July 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Todd,

I thought you had gone into exile!

From someone, who sees your point, and mostly agrees!

I have ordered a load of Edwin Fischer Mozart Comcerto performances, though I suspect we may never agree, quite, about Schnabel in Beethoven! [Do you remember your comment. "Fightin Talk, Fredrik..." from a long time ago when I was trying to persuade Herman about this!]?

Can the lovely Annie Fischer still be obtained in the Beethoven sonatas? I want a reading that is maddenly passionate, and madly expressive without breaking too many stylistic boundaries! I think her muisc making holds back few punches. I could hardly care less about recording quality!

Kindest regards freom Fredrik

PS:

The only recording with Guilini [which I had] leading was a rather flawed concerto performance where he clearly did not agree with the soloist on how it should go, and was therefore unsatisfactory. I never got any further, and if I am honest I cannot stand the idea of a B Moinor Mass that is deeply not stylistically more or less Baroque - my favourite is Leonhardt - and nineteenth century Italian opera was something I used to play, rather than espedially enjoy...

ButI am certain that he was a most sensitive musician. Perhaps the LAPO set of the Eroica might be somewhere to find a conjunction of my classsicism and his romanticismus...

Fred
Posted on: 27 July 2006 by pe-zulu
Dear Fredrik

This one:

http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/4297604/rk/classic/rsk/hitlist

Regards,
Posted on: 27 July 2006 by Tam
Dear Todd,

The only reason I have not mentioned any of those recordings (particularly the other Verdi) is that I have not heard them yet. The EMI box sounds fascinating and is on my list!

On the subject of Giulini's Mozart, I realise I have left out one of my favourite Mozart recordings - the 23rd piano concerto with Horowitz as the soloist and the La Scala orchestra which is simply sublime (it's available both as part of DG's 6 disc Horowitz box, there is also this two cd set).

regards, Tam

p.s. is this the EMI set?
Posted on: 27 July 2006 by Wolf
Giulini was conductor here in Los Angeles back in the early 80s I believe when I was living south of here so i never heard him. My friend John who wass a musician and producer for a short while said he was almost magical to watch. He'd come out from teh wings with arms raised in a trance, get on the podium and start conducting the most moving music. Said he took the LA Phil froma second tier band to a top notch orchestra before he left.

I too have been considering some of his recordings but am at a loss as to what. I'll have to take some notes from here and see what's available at Tower on Sunset. They have the best selection. All the other stores seem to have subsumed classical into a corner of the rock section. One store took out the seperate classical and replaced it with electronic and trance. Well it is in West Hollywood where all the trendy types go. Still sad to see. I still enjoy pawing thru stacks, looking at latest offerings and talking with the knowledgable clerks.
Posted on: 30 July 2006 by Tam
Dear Glen,

I must again recommend the DVD mentioned above as the qualities your fried mentions come across wonderfully. (I am sure you would find it interesting even if you don't care for the Verdi Requiem.)

Knowing you like 20th century music, I don't know if you know the Britten Requiem, but feel sure this would be a pretty good place for you to start with Giulini.

regards, Tam


p.s. A quick google found this rather interesting article:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,60-1655517,00.html