Bl**dy cyclists! (Pt 2)

BigH47

Try attacking policies instead of attacking personalities.

I have at least said something, you just snipe.

Make a suggestion what you would do to improve matters.

Regards

Mick

Mick, I have been called many things in my life and to be totally honest wind up merchant mainly. We all have to live together and the most important thing is to love the people close to you, have a good laugh when ever possible and most important of all don't take life to seriously.

That said a good wind up is fun. In reallity I am not the biggot I claim to be in these threads. I just like chucking in the odd hand granade from time to time to get a reaction and I am happy to say you have providrd me with much enjoyment over the last 24 hours. Keep it comming. Any reasonable person who saw that video would agree that they are a bunch of irrisponsible numpties.

Keep smiling.

You do realise, you're risking a flogging...

I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous answer.

Talking of attacks who was it who castigated some one for asking a non-hifi question recently, not for the first time?
So get your own house in order before pontificating to others.

As to the thread:-
I still think cyclists and caravan owners should be made to pay a contribution and have some form of insurance. Having a car you pay tax on shouldn't give you the right to use the road, with another vehicle.
I believe Holland? has a bicycle licensing scheme, with number plates, so at least you know who's just jumped the lights, run their pedal down the side of your pride and joy.

I see the excuse of "fixed" wheel being used as one reason bicyclists don't/can't stop for traffic lights ,pedestrian crossings etc. "Simples" , don't use the bloody things on the road keep them on the track where they belong. Of course they think they look good on a posy bike with no brakes I expect.

Solutions? If possible more bike only lanes, but pedestrian education is needed with them, hopefully relieving the let's play dodge the pedestrian. Maybe compulsory helmets, but I'm not to sure exactly how much good they do, I guess it will take a fair amount of energy in a curb hit.
Again a minimum CSI standard helmet, I don't have a lot of faith in the "pound shop" types of stores versions.

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That said a good wind up is fun. In reallity I am not the biggot I claim to be in these threads. I just like chucking in the odd hand granade from time to time to get a reaction

Don

Well that is something I suppose.

Personally I just cannot understand the dislike that motorists and cyclists seem to have for each other.

Regards

Mick

Bigh47

I have just completed a 8 week course with the CTC for cycling. The course was for those of 50+ who hadn't cycled for years and my wife ( who had a new bicycle in february)really needed something to boost her confidence, so I went with her on the course.

The instructors are totally divided on the use of helmets.

Some wouldn't dream of not using them and consider it madness not to do so.

However there are some counter arguments.

1. Helmets were recently made complusory in Australia and the number of cyclists dropped dramatically. That means lots of less healthy people and more people using cars and causing pollution etc.

2. Helmets have little effect in most accidents as city accidents tend to happen at low speed and elbows and knees are the most common casualty

3. Studies have shown that car drivers are less considerate to cyclist who actually wear helmets.

Nothing is as simple as you first think.

As regards to taxing bicycles, that would be a bureaucratic nightmare. Most of us pay taxes anyway in one form or another.

With Caravans there is some sort of argument but most of our caravans are actually made in the UK and it is a fragile industry. Taxing it now could be the final nail in the coffin.

The answer is simple, if you are caught driving badly, you should get clobbered whether you are a car driver or a cyclist. I cannot believe how lax the law is on people caught using mobile phones whilst driving.

Regards

Mick

I've done both and I prefer to be in a car. Cyclists are at risk because they are not surrounded by metal like car drivers, but that does not stop them moving in to my road space without a signal or looking. I won't be hurt if I knock one over but the authorities always blame the driver. Like I have said before all road users should take responsibility for their actions. The accident rate would be lower.

Three weeks ago I was driving on a 50mph straight road and this Fiat Punto was right up my chuff. I left a big gap between me and the car infront to take account of the idiot behind me. Then the driver 4 cars in front of me stopped (remember we were all driving at 50mph) to let someone reverse out of their drive. We all stopped in time except the idiot behind me who skidded in to the back of my car. Luckily no one was hurt but 2k damage to my car. The kid (17yrs old) admitted that that was the second time he had done that in a week. Some people never learn.

No wonder I have little tollerance for any road users who driv/ride like idiots.

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Originally posted by Mick Parry:

With Caravans there is some sort of argument but most of our caravans are actually made in the UK and it is a fragile industry. Taxing it now could be the final nail in the coffin.

Mick

Hurrah! I'd vote for that!

Thought i'd join in by throwing a one dimensional self serving arrogant argument into the mix...

Phil

You will not believe this, I was driving my 88 years old mum home at 8pm and on the wrong side of the road riding towards me dressed in black with no lights on was a poxy idiot on a cycle, and people wonder why drivers don't like them.

Don

I am now 61 and passed my car driving test when I was 17. I have driven fairly high milages on business for most of those years.

During that time, I have never had a bump, a scare, a crash or even a near accident.
Neither have I ever had an accident claim.

Possibly you may not be a good driver.

Regards

Mick

I am always considerate for other road users when riding my bicycle. I quite often get thanked or a signal of thanks from car drivers and predestrians for my courtesy.
I agree, most cyclists are oblivious to anything but themselves and deserve to be hurt. Alot of them are complete idiots.
Some even think it is quite ok to ride a push bike intoxicated, which is illegal i might add.
Alot of cagers are complete t*****s too!
Most of my safty on a push bike stems from my days with riding motorbikes, the same rules apply.

I would be absolutely livid if there was a tax introduced on push bikes.
I would have to take up jogging and i really would start to get on peoples nerves then.

Taxing cyclists is complete twaddle!

regards, steve
(been riding bicycles almost everyday for over thirty years)

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Originally posted by Don Hooper:
You will not believe this, I was driving my 88 years old mum home at 8pm and on the wrong side of the road riding towards me dressed in black with no lights on was a poxy idiot on a cycle, and people wonder why drivers don't like them.

Well, speaking as a cyclist, I probably wouldn't like a "poxy idiot on a cycle... dressed in black with no lights on" either, but there's few of themn about, so we don't have to get upset THAT often.

Hmmm?

it is MY road. ALL MINE. I pay taxes so it damn well belongs to ME!

I logged onto the Naim Forum today and found out that it had been hacked by a bunch of irrational Daily Mail readers!

There is no such thing as 'Road Tax' btw. There is however Vehicle Excise Duty - the clue is in the name....

ve·hi·cle (v-kl)
n.
1.
a. A device or structure for transporting persons or things; a conveyance: a space vehicle.
b. A self-propelled conveyance that runs on tires; a motor vehicle.
2. A medium through which something is transmitted, expressed, or accomplished: His novels are a vehicle for his political views.
3. The concrete or specific word or phrase that is applied to the tenor of a metaphor and gives the metaphor its figurative power, as walking shadow in "Life's but a walking shadow" (Shakespeare).
4. A play, role, or piece of music used to display the special talents of one performer or company.
5. A substance of no therapeutic value used to convey an active medicine for administration.
6. A substance, such as oil, in which paint pigments are mixed for application.

Bicycle seems to fit one of the definitions, there fore should be liable for Vehicle Excise Duty.

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Originally posted by Svetty:
I logged onto the Naim Forum today and found out that it had been hacked by a bunch of irrational Daily Mail readers!

There is no such thing as 'Road Tax' btw. There is however Vehicle Excise Duty - the clue is in the name....

It's called vehicle tax, VED died a long time ago.

Cheers
Steve

It's still a tax what ever the government call it.

Mick about me being a poor driver. If you have never had an accident then well done. Sometimes things happen that you cannot control. Like people that drive too close. If you think you are that good why don't you just book to do the anvanced test and see if you pass. If you don't pass and that is highly likely at least you will be made aware of your short commings so you can then improve further. After all nothing in life is perfect especially people.

The examiners are serving or retired police officers who have had a class A police licience.

Good luck with the test you will need it.

Don

I think the moral of the story is that there are good road-users and bad - whether they are on four wheels, two wheels or two legs, powered or not is irrelevant.

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Originally posted by Steve Bull:
I think the moral of the story is that there are good road-users and bad - whether they are on four wheels, two wheels or two legs, powered or not is irrelevant.

I don't know if there is a moral, but what is obvious is that the class of road users who are unable to transport themselves whilst ensuring both their own safety and the safety of others are the motorists. A few anecdotes about irresonsible cyclists do not change the fact that it is the motorists who are are killing and maiming themselves, each other and others, on a scale we should find scandalous.

The whole "cyclists place themselves in danger by their behaviour so they deserve what they get" argument is morally bankrupt.

Come on, you lot. Get a bloody grip.

I cycle when I can at the weekend and I get really pissed off by inconsiderate car drivers squeezing me towards the pavement, blasting their horns, cutting me off at left hand corners and, to be honest, just being "bloody car drivers."

I also drive a nice new Honda Civic, a metal, cyclist "killer" and when I am driving I get really pissed off by inconsiderate cyclists cutting across my direction of travel, going through red lights and, to be honest, just being "bloody cyclists."

But I'm the same person - just different moods.

Let's face it, it's human nature, we all basically can't stand each other - and by the way, isn't the behaviour and language currently on this Forum a small snap-shot of that.

For example, and a little off topic but still relevant, recently some unfortunate Soul mentioned that he heard an audible difference in various USB cables and suddenly there's a lynch mob out to get him.

And yet the same mob describe how a different mains cable will change your life.....

To end as I began, please, get a grip.

Ian

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. Cyclists are at risk because they are not surrounded by metal like car drivers, but that does not stop them moving in to my road space without a signal or looking.

Don, Rule 163: you shouldn't be anywhere near them. Are you sure you're a member of the IAM?

C

Ian,

Well said.

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Bicycle seems to fit one of the definitions, there fore should be liable for Vehicle Excise Duty.

Yep. Except the tax is graduated so anything without an engine gets zero rated.

C

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Well, speaking as a cyclist, I probably wouldn't like a "poxy idiot on a cycle... dressed in black with no lights on" either, but there's few of themn about, so we don't have to get upset THAT often.

Mike, those are the ones that are saving up for their cars!

C

Wow, outbreak of sanity in padded cell...