Naimnet

Posted by: JonathanP on 04 June 2009

There has been very little talk of Naimnet here so I thought I would post observations of our system which has been just installed. The server is an NS01 and we so far have four rooms, with Totm Inner Spirits driven by NNP02 amplifiers with NACA5 cabling. The sound is clean and punchy but I suspect will get tighter as it runs in. The wall touch panels take a bit of getting used to, though, and the writing rather small. With more use I suspect we will get the hang of it.
Posted on: 04 June 2009 by Patrick F
Iphone app is available for naimnet. ilinx
Posted on: 04 June 2009 by SC
Sounds great... Smile

Any chance of some pictures...?

I really don't understand why there isn't more mention of Naimnet...Almost seems non existent at times....

Steve
Posted on: 04 June 2009 by SC
Oooooo - iPhone app. Really ? Is this new..?
Posted on: 04 June 2009 by Patrick F
a few weeks. Only controls NaimNet systems.

Ilinx works really well.
Posted on: 04 June 2009 by pcstockton
quote:
Originally posted by SC:


I really don't understand why there isn't more mention of Naimnet...Almost seems non existent at times....

Steve


The people who can afford the house that typically this amazing system goes in are generally busy, working hard and dont frequent Hifi Forums.... just a guess.

You know.... they have lives.
Posted on: 05 June 2009 by ferenc
quote:
Originally posted by SC:
Sounds great... Smile

Any chance of some pictures...?

I really don't understand why there isn't more mention of Naimnet...Almost seems non existent at times....

Steve


Posted on: 05 June 2009 by pcstockton
OUCH!!!!!! $150?

I would ask my retailer to throw that in if I was doing a multiple room system.

Hmmmmmmm It (suspiciously??) looks alot like an HTTP controller for Foobar i've used in my iPhone... But mine is free... how nice.

Posted on: 05 June 2009 by David Dever
In all fairness, the iLinX app doesn't just control music servers–or sources alone (including tuners, local inputs, etc.) but can also auto-discover and control lighting, HVAC, security, IP cameras, video distribution–anything that is DigiLinX or NaimNet-capable.

Pair it up with an iPod Touch, and the price seems quite sensible for a whole-house controller, about $379. In this respect, a Foobar remote only handles music.

Most of these remote apps should look similar as the Apple iPhone / iPod touch UI guidelines generally keep things looking, well, similar.
Posted on: 05 June 2009 by pcstockton
I know Dave...... was just gently ribbing.

It is an incredible piece of software. It will control everything from your AC to automatic blinds.

And yes paired with an iPod or even with an existing iPhone, would make a most formidable controller. Certainly slicker than any obnoxious tablet or Philips remote.

My comment of a retailer "throwing one in" though is realistic.

When a client buys $130,000 worth of Honduras Mahogany doors and windows from me, they are definitely getting more than a few hundred dollars of lunches, dinners, golf and even trips as a big Thank You for the business.

I am not sure what the typical Naimnet installation runs but I would imagine a $150 app to be worth thousands in terms of future business and overall loyalty, word of mouth referrals etc....

But then again, many people I meet in similar occupations as mine (sales), often fail to recognize these things.

In any event..... the Naimnet line looks truly awesome. And I am guessing it can sound amazing. It must be very interesting to sell a system like that.


And in all fairness, an http controller, using Safari on an iPhone can control a lot more than just Foobar Winker But not lighting and security systems... Or can it?

If my puter can control it, i can find a way for the iPhone to as well.

Have fun with the NaimNet Dave. It must be a blast.

jealous,
Patrick
Posted on: 05 June 2009 by JonathanP
Maybe showing my ignorance, but how can you control the music system from a mobile phone? I thought we need to get tablet-type controls to do it?
Posted on: 05 June 2009 by pcstockton
quote:
Originally posted by JonathanP:
Maybe showing my ignorance, but how can you control the music system from a mobile phone? I thought we need to get tablet-type controls to do it?


Wifi network my friend.
Posted on: 06 June 2009 by SC
Just why oh why can this not be done for the HDX....Madness.
Posted on: 06 June 2009 by pcstockton
SC,

Oh it could easily be done. Easily.

Learn a little bit of programming and you can cannabalize another interface to work with the HDX yourself.

Linn has one for their streamers.
Posted on: 06 June 2009 by David Dever
quote:
Originally posted by SC:
Just why oh why can this not be done for the HDX....Madness.


Add Flash to iPhone-done and dusted. Let's see what happens with iPhone 3.0 firmware....

iLinX does not control the HDX itself, just the streams from the room amps.
Posted on: 06 June 2009 by SC
quote:
Originally posted by David Dever:
Add Flash to iPhone-done and dusted.

I know David....though one of course could argue the opposite way and question why the Naim software was solely written in Flash.. Confused

I have a feeling Flash certainly won't be coming with iPhone v3 announced on Monday...If ever.
Posted on: 06 June 2009 by Chris Murphy
Jonathan,

If you had an iPhone you can control your system from that no problem. I have an iTouch iPod and it works fine. Stays connected and is an effective portable control device. Did the boys give you training on the system so you can find things?

Cheers,

Chris.
Posted on: 06 June 2009 by David Dever
quote:
Originally posted by SC:
quote:
Originally posted by David Dever:
Add Flash to iPhone-done and dusted.

I know David....though one of course could argue the opposite way and question why the Naim software was solely written in Flash.. Confused

I have a feeling Flash certainly won't be coming with iPhone v3 announced on Monday...If ever.


NaimNet/DigiLinX interface is also Flash-based; also scales well to larger displays via the TV out on the back of the server, anti-aliased text support, etc.

System services, though, are presentation-independent.

On the contrary, I think we'll see a Flash version for the iPhone very soon.
Posted on: 06 June 2009 by JonathanP
No, Chris, not yet. I only had one day to play with it before heading back to Seoul for a couple of weeks. But I would like to understand what the portable control options are as initially they were limited to tablets and remote controls.
Posted on: 07 June 2009 by Chris Murphy
Happy to help. You can PM me or talk to John. There are a number of control options. Depends on how you want to live with the system.

Cheers,

Chris.
Posted on: 08 June 2009 by SC
quote:
Originally posted by David Dever:
On the contrary, I think we'll see a Flash version for the iPhone very soon.

As I suspected, nope !

As it hasn't made it's way onto OS 3.0, there's no way they are going to drop a feature like Flash into a 3.1, 3.2 etc, so you're looking at v 3.5 or 4.0....

Seriously, the Apple Netbook will be here before the phone has Flash....

Steve
Posted on: 10 June 2009 by JB76
will that work of the latest 3g blackberry's as well? eg. 9000 series or storm.
Posted on: 19 June 2009 by JonathanP
Having played with the system for about a week, time for some more observations:
The "system" is very sophisticated, but takes a fair amount of getting used to. Initially, it felt confusing, but now I am beginning to get the hang of it but further tweaks or the control panels will be called for. The two basic points are:
1. Any control panel can control any part of the system. E.g. the panel in a bedroom can, by the touch of a button, control what audio is playing the the guest bedroom. This obviously requires care to avoid blasting the kids' rooms at midnight.
2. Music is not played to a particular room but, rather, an album or track is selected as a "stream" which will then be heard in any room playing that "stream". Again, a bit of care is required as, on a few occasions, I have hit "stop" in one room then, later on, picked up another album in another room but with eh same stream number - so it also plays in the original room.
Neither of these a criticisms at all - but the sophistication does require an amount of awareness as to what is going on.
Album search will need some getting used to also. Quite possibly some reprogramming to suit the way I organise things in my mind. It is very different from picking up a CD box (either by remembering what the cover picture looks like or that if is the third one from the top on the pile by the radiator).
Now for sound. I have to say that the small Naimnet amplifiers driving Totem Inner Spirits really are very good for what they are. Balanced, musical, clear. A bit tight in the midrange still, but I feel that is just a question of running them in. Already I can notice the difference between rooms where the system has been playing a lot and ones where it has not.
With the big amp, we originally were going for Sonus Fabers. Beautifully made, but the stands are very heavy and low WAF. Also, somehow the sound was not totally convincing. Many good points, but an annoying gap in the soundstage and, whilst fast, a slightly soft presentation. So we switched to a pair of Totem Forests which worked extremely well. Apart from the colour (mahogany - very 1980s....). So we'll be ordering a pair of them in cherry methinks.
Posted on: 20 June 2009 by Chris Murphy
Jonathan,

The system can be programmed to include or exclude rooms. Example, you may wish to exclude the master bedroom from being controlled from the Children's room.

I have found if you name the streams after people it removes a lot of confusion. So instead of 'stream 1' calling it 'Jonathan's music' you take ownership of that stream, everyone knows not to use that stream and the management of music in rooms in the house becomes much simpler. No one has to check who is using 'stream 1'.

Both those are simple programming events.

It is a very comprehensive system and once you start getting to know how to navigate it properly, is very simple.

Cheers,

Chris.