Odd Sound at Hi Volumes with Vinyl

Posted by: garyi on 21 February 2002

Ok the title was pretty self explanitory.

I got home today and though f**kit. Basically I am considerate to my neighbours and normally don't listen too loud, however as far as I could assertain no one was in some, wham!

I played some Big Bud on vinyl, this is fat beat, d&b, but not hard, very very laid back with jazzy overtones. I wound the wick up to about 11-12.

well for the most part it sounded fantastic. bearing i mind this is as high as I've gone with my 102/180/FC

One thing was amis however. At this sort of volume the mid and hi sounds were, how can I say garbled. Sort of like the music was have a throut gargle. I know that don't make much sense. Basically nothing sounded like it was struggling, I am confident the 180 was quite happy at this stage, however something was not 'happy'.


I have a few ideas here, and bearing in mind my thinking is that I can detect it more readily at high volumes, but am assuming it may be effecting sound at lower volumes.

1. A quick check in my profile will reveal how close the deck is to the SBL, at high volume I could feel the speaker pushing air at two foot.

2. even after all my efforts sorting the cart out it ain't right yet (Dynavector Karet 17D2)

3. Get a new deck Gary, its about time.

4. Get proper BNC connectors fitted and do away with the convertors.

5. Flat cap? What the F***.

Anyway any tips or help appriciated, I could put the deck where the CDi is, but how would that effect the CDi at high volume? (I don't know yet as its in for repair!)

Posted on: 21 February 2002 by Chris Brandon
Hi Garyi,

A couple of other thoughts....

1.Accoustic feedback going back into the arm/cart (usually far more evidant at higher volumes).

Ie with all that vibration in the surroundings,via air and mechanical couplings,some is quite easily passed back to the turntable causing similar results to the ones your getting.

2.Room interactions.

(Is this just on vinyl or are cd's simmilarly afflicted ?....though I suspect not).

Regards

Chris

Posted on: 21 February 2002 by garyi
Chris you are right, as far as I can tell I havn't heard it on CD, but its fair to say I havn't heard CD that loud, I have a crap CDP at the moment and really its painful.

I assume the acoustic feed back is a result of speakers, damn!

I have to say the sound is not distressful, just noticable.

BTW I am really enjoying the sound of vinyl at the moment!

Posted on: 21 February 2002 by Chris Brandon
quote:
BTW I am really enjoying the sound of vinyl at the moment!


I have just got my LP12 back from a full service & new cartridge at the Audioworks....I know just what you meen ! smile

Regards

Chris

Posted on: 22 February 2002 by David Stewart
Could it be mistracking due to a dirty or damaged stylus? - I recently had some problems with similar symptoms to yours particularly in passages with high dynamics. My dealer suggested thoroughly cleaning the stylus with a stiff brush and solvent (I used Disc Doctor!). Afterwards the problem was greatly reduced.

David S

Posted on: 22 February 2002 by garyi
David I am scared shitless of this cart being as its the only thing that makes the rega worth while (and I can't afford another!), what kind of 'stiff' brush do you mean, the stylus is so fine on this beasty that any stiff brush I have would have bristles about four times as thick.

I'm scared.

It seems clean, so hard to tell really

Posted on: 22 February 2002 by garyi
BTW I have ruled out the records themselves as I have tried a couple of brand spanking new ones to the same effect, Airs latest and a Goldie one.
Posted on: 22 February 2002 by David Stewart
If in doubt seek advice from your local Rega dealer - the Disc Doctor stylus cleaner brush has very short (about 2mm) stiff bristles - you put a drop or two of the supplied fluid on the brush - then gently draw it across the stylus from back to front. The arm must be floating freely and just allowed to rest on the brush under its own weight - no pressure is applied. It sounds a bit gruesome but it does work!
Don't forget to mute your amp though or it'll make a pretty frightful noise!
It may look clean at the moment but over time, particles of dirt, detritus and whatever get almost welded to the stylus tip, which is why soft brushing often doesn't do the trick.

David

Posted on: 22 February 2002 by garyi
Cheers dave, I will be 'doing' the hi fi show tomorrow so will see what that turns up.

I have to be honest here, it looks rather like the stylus is worn, which is going to be costly indeed. I got it second hand so it was already worn mabye its coming to the end.

Still sounds bloody good, I will just have to listen at lower volumes.

But will check for cleaner etc this weekend.

Posted on: 22 February 2002 by Martin Payne
quote:
Originally posted by garyi:
I have to be honest here, it looks rather like the stylus is worn...

Still sounds bloody good, I will just have to listen at lower volumes.



Gary,

if it's worn enough to sound bad then it's destroying your records every time you play them.

Loud or quiet has nothing to do with it.

cheers, Martin