First Concertos

Posted by: u5227470736789439 on 28 August 2005

Dear Friends,

I thought the piano idea was quite good so here are a few concerto recomendations.

Bach:
Brandenberg Concertos. HM Linde EMI or Virgin.
Violin Concertos, in A minor and E major and Double Concerto in D minor. Oistrack or Grumiaux on DG and Philips
Keyboard Concertos. A good start will be found in the performances of JM Pires on Erato, or the complete set with Perahia on Sony

Handel:
Organ Cocertos. I recently found a set that seems to get the measure of the music. MC Alain with Paillard Chamber Orchestra, originally on decca, but now out on Boston Skyline, which is a small USA company that re-releases grand efforts that somehow have slipped beneath the horizon, often because the material is wonderful and yet not eccentric enough to have made a real media hit. Their catalogue contains some absolute gems. [Two separate CDs].

Haydn:
Trumpet Concerto in E flat. The best records (IMO) have been done by Maurice Andre, Haakon Hardenberger, and (my favourite) Ole Edvard Antonsen.

Mozart:
Clarinet Concerto: This never seems to get a bad performance, so no reason to recomend one over another!
Piano Concerto No 23 in A. There are about 12 at this level! Start here and move out! Haskil and Solomon both made splendid recordings. Perahia is among the best in the stereo era, but rare are the performances that fail.
Horn Concertos. Start with Dennis Brain's set on EMI. Slightly less charming but just as sitisfying is Alan Civil's set with the great Otto Klemperer. One can almost hear the great man smiling at his wonderful soloist. Not sure if this is currently available, but if you see it get it!

Beethoven:
The Violin Concerto is something of a gem, and yet it only ges better with further aquaintance. Try Oistrack or Josef Suk for great musical insights, though you will go a long way to find a poor performance.
Piano Concertos; Start with Number Four. Stephen Bishop is among the best and at budget price, whilst this music has attracted the attention of the great pianist of every generation. Todd, maybe you would like to recomend your favourite. Mine is Schnabel from 1933, but then that is not an obvious recomendation to a beginer!

Mendelsohnn and Bruch: [Together because of the ususal coupling].
You will find these two composers on issues of the their two greatest Violin Concertos. Again, no amount of aquaintance will ever dull the brilliance of the music.

Dvorak:
Cello concerto in B Minor.
The conventional wisdom is that Rostropovich with Karajan is THE recording. I actually profoundly disagree with this, and R recorded it several times. The best is mono with V Tallich on Supraphon, and the best after that is with Boult in Stereo on EMI. My favourite is Fournier on EMI (out on a splendid transfer of the 1947 78s on Testamente), which is terribly faithful to the miriad of markings in the score, and manges to sound as if it was also totally spontaneous. Fournier is said to have retained an affection for this performance all his life.

Brahms:
Violin Concerto:
Oistrack, Klemperer on EMI have the measure of it. Don't think that this is going to be slow or dogged. In fact it seems that Klemperer is the one with the pulse and forward drive and Oistrack the one with the poetry! From the archives, Fritz Kreisler provides another more charming and altogether different "old world" view that may acyually be musically closer in spirirt to what Brahms had in mind. The 1927 record from Berlin are a model of musical balance if not really the last word in tonal fidelity, even if the violin sounds pretty marvelous!
Piano Concertos. Start with the D Monor (No One), and get Curzon with George Szell with the LSO on Decca. It really is the best in every department.

Sibelius:
Violin COncerto. This is not as tough as it might sound and you are bound to get a nice coupling, from someone like Tchaikowsky. My favourite is Grumiaux, but Oistrack is just as fine, but the one I have is in mono (and coupled with the Bach set, swo you might kill two birds with one stone!). The best Heifetz is the one with Beecham done in London. The LPO were probably the best Orchestra in Britain in the 1930s and Beecham was not overfaced with his temperamental soloist. This is one of those once in a lifetime type performances (on EMI).

Elgar:
Violin Concerto:
Menuhin, of course, made the famous set with the composer, but if you are going to delve into the historic, then consider Albert Sammons, who recorded it two and a half years earlier with Henry Wood. (Out on Pearl) This is what Elgar rather charmingly described as a "good" performance, while if you get past the crumbly recording, what you get is one of the greatest Elgar recording - full stop! Of the moderns, avoid Heifetz. Elgar detested his reading: "The man does not know how to cry inside, without showing it on his sleeve." In the stereo era Hilary Hahn has got a good press, but I personally think the best is Alfredo Campoli on a late 1950s recording with Boult, but it only appears occasionally at super-budget on Decca.

Again I hope other will contribute further I ideas. I have refrained froma list of all myu favourite Concertos, but tried to do a starter set of recomendations, any ONE of which would make a fine start. So the absense of something only means that I think a better start may be made elsewhere. Maybe next week I'll do Starter Symphonies, and Starter Chamber Music, or even Starter String Music. Do other feel this would be useful?

Fredrik
Posted on: 21 February 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Friends,

Thanks to kevj, I was given the Mozart Horn Concertos played by Alan Civil (with his Orchestra), the Philharmonia conducted by Otto Klemperer, which is even finer than my memories of it, when had it both on LP and CD! I though I would add that the set is now available again on Testament SBT 1102, and is coupled with The Nocturne from Mendelssohn's A Midsummer Night's Dream Music. And there is a nice bonus of music by Rossini: Prelude, Theme and Variation for Horn and Piano. When I realised this last was also there, I simply had to order it. The whole disc is priceless, great music making. Seriously this is not to be missed!

All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 22 February 2006 by kevj
Fredrik,

You're going to enjoy it - this is the release which I now have. The nocturne is stately (actually just a teensy bit slow for my taste), but the sonority and phrasing are something to behold. The Rossini shows Civil's great sense of fun - it's a very light bit of froth, but none the less enjoyable for that.

Kevin
Posted on: 22 February 2006 by Steve S1
Great post Fredrik, as usual…may add a couple of suggestions to part of your list?

Bach:
Brandenberg Concertos. - I would add Pinnock.

Mozart:
Clarinet Concerto: I agree with the poster who singled out Beecham on EMI from 1960 – superb.

Violin Concertos - Perlman DG.

Horn Concertos. Barry Tuckwell’s on EMI take some beating and are available cheaply as a full set with other works.

Double Piano Concerto – Ashkenazy/Barenboim on Decca (Great fun).

Beethoven:
The Violin Concerto is my favourite, - to your recommendations I would add Heifetz/Munch on RCA – recording could be better but the performance is electric and you usually find it with a good coupling like the Brahms. Alternatively for a less highly charged but thoughtful reading - Kantorow/Denon - beautiful slow movement, super recording. Another great version is Chung/Tennstedton EMI which is coupled with the Bruch.

Piano Concertos; Certainly agree about Stephen Bishop’s Philips being among the best (at any price!) Would also mention Melvin Tan’s EMI period instrument versions with Sir Roger Norrington – they are fresh and interesting.

Dvorak:
Violin Concerto – much ignored (or at least under featured). Try Chung/Muti on EMI.


Sibelius:
”The best Heifetz is the one with Beecham done in London. This is one of those once in a lifetime type performances (on EMI).” Couldn’t agree more.

Elgar:
Violin Concerto:
No EMI/Kennedy?
Posted on: 22 February 2006 by --duncan--
quote:
Originally posted by Tam:

Out of interest, and I'm sure it can't be a good one for beginners, did anyone catch the Ades violin concerto at the proms? I missed it.Tam


I was at the concert, but the most memorable thing about the concerto was soloist Anthony Marwood's white suit. I enjoyed the Beethoven 4th that came afterwards, but the COE probably don't need much help to make that go well.

The Simon Holt Violin Concerto I heard at the Barbican on Saturday was promising on first listen, it was relayed on Radio 3 last night, so I'm guessing it will be available on "listen again" for a few days.

duncan
Posted on: 22 February 2006 by Basil
"Mozart:
Clarinet Concerto: I agree with the poster who singled out Beecham on EMI from 1960 – superb."

That was me!

I was fortunate to hear Jack Brymer play the Clarinet concerto at the Bridgenorth Haydn Festival a few years back. It was very special.


"Beethoven:
The Violin Concerto is my favourite, - to your recommendations I would add Heifetz/Munch on RCA"

Absolutely! As far as I'm concerned the Heifetz/Munch is the benchmark.
Posted on: 22 February 2006 by u5227470736789439
On the Beethoven Violin Concerto, I would go the other way, the way of a more gentle old fashioned world. Kreisler in Berlin (Biddulph Labs now) in 1927 with the State Opera Orchestra under Leo Blech for HMV, or Mennuhin, in 1947, with Furtwangler at the Lucerne Festival (though recorded in studio conditions), also for HMV, and out on Testament. For a tougher, more modern view, I would choose, Oistrack, or Grumiaux. But then I never really got on with Heifetz's style myself! Smile

All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 22 February 2006 by Basil
Dear Fredrik,

I have many recordings of the Beethoven, including; David Oistrakh (with Andre Cluytens and French National Radio Orchestra) and Arthur Grumiaux (with Colin Davis and Concertgebouw) and Yehudi Menuhin (with Otto Klemperer and Philharmonia)

But the recording I automatically reach for without thinking is the Heifetz/Munch!

One other, which I know you're not going to like! Is the Karajan/BPO with Anne-Sophie Mutter, outrageously slow but somehow captivating.
Posted on: 22 February 2006 by Tam
Duncan,

Thanks for that. I was at an Aldeburgh concert last year with Ades (and I think the Northern Sinfonia) where he also gave a very good Beethoven 4th.


As far as the Mozart clarinet concerto nice, I have a rather nice set of the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra doing most of Mozart's wind music, which I got for a song, and has a rather nice account. Their Horn concerti are also rather fine.


As to the Beethoven violin concerto. I'm afraid (and I should probably duck for cover before admitting to this) I've never really got on that well with violin concerti, I just find that the instrument doesn't offer quite the right contrast to the sound of the rest of the orchestra. The only account I have of the Beethoven is the Stern/Bernstein/NYPO reading, so perhaps I need to cast my net a little wider....


regards, Tam
Posted on: 22 February 2006 by u5227470736789439
Dear Basil,

I think that the wonder of the gramophone is that you can have Heifetz, and I can have say grumiaux or Menuhin, and we are both happy! I arther like to get people to actually put forward their views, as an alternative, so I am delighted that you replied!

I have never been the slightest convinced by the Menuhin and Klemperer recording of Beethoven's Violin Concerto, where, for once, there seems almost no magic in the partnership of these two great musicians. As for Karajan, I am not going to say a word more! Big Grin

All the best from Fredrik
Posted on: 22 February 2006 by Tam
Dear Fredrik & Basil,

I can never much get on with Karajan either. I have only recently started to listen to very much of his work (because I inherited a number his CDs), up until then all I had was his Holst Planets (and I'm not sure if I dislike the work or interpretation). However, I just find his whole approach rather too staid and unexciting. Particularly his Beethoven symphonies which, if I had to sum up in one word, would best be described as safe, and if he's anything Beethoven shouldn't be safe. Give me Furtwangler any day.

regards, Tam
Posted on: 23 February 2006 by Basil
quote:
Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
Dear Basil,

I think that the wonder of the gramophone is that you can have Heifetz, and I can have say grumiaux or Menuhin, and we are both happy! I arther like to get people to actually put forward their views, as an alternative, so I am delighted that you replied!




Dear Fredrik,

I agree, how lucky we are to be living in the 21st century to have the likes of Heifetz, Karajan, Solti, Walter, Giulini, Marriner, Mravinsky, Barbirolli, Boult....the list is almost endless, at our fingertips.

quote:
Originally posted by Fredrik_Fiske:
I have never been the slightest convinced by the Menuhin and Klemperer recording of Beethoven's Violin Concerto, where, for once, there seems almost no magic in the partnership of these two great musicians. As for Karajan, I am not going to say a word more! Big Grin

All the best from Fredrik



I haven't played that one in a while, I must admit, whenever I feel like hearing the Beethoven Violin concerto, I automatically reach for either Heifetz or Mutter. But thanks to you, I played the David Oistrakh recording yesterday; I had forgotten how good it was. I also dug out the Beecham/Heifetz Sibelius from the 30's, superb!

I would urge you to try and find a copy of the Karajan/Mutter concerto, there is something special about it.

Dear Tam,

I'm guessing you probably heard Karajan's last recordings of the Beethoven symphonies, from the late 80's. The ones to try are from his second (third if you count the Phiharmonia set from the 50's) set with the BPO from 1977.


Best regards to you both
Posted on: 23 February 2006 by --duncan--
quote:
Originally posted by djc:
The Simon Holt Violin Concerto I heard at the Barbican on Saturday was promising on first listen, duncan


Andew Clements liked the Holt too, it seems.
Posted on: 23 February 2006 by Tam
Actually, I was talking about the early 60s (and the think first) Berlin cycle - which did next to nothing for me. But I shall keep my ears open for the 77 cycle.... as if I need another (currently twelve and counting, and I already have my eye on the recently rereleased Davis/Dresden and upcoming Haitink/LSO sets....).

regards, Tam