Vista......anyone?

GML,
I made the switch to the Mac side about six years ago as I was tired of fiddling with my PC's. It seemed one of them always needed something or was sick with a virus, kind of like small children. I decided that if any of my other tools were this tempermental I would replace them. Since Ive been quite pleassed and am typing this on that first ibook that works like new.
Just a vote from a happy user

rOb

vista:- absalootley not

Not suporting backward compat on direct-x is one thing

(My own personal opinion obviously)

I've just found out too, that the licences with the first two entry points on the Vista "ladder" do not allow them to be used on virtual machines. Micro$oft will soon be attacking the virtualisation market. I hope they're unsuccessful.

You get home with your shiny new Vista machine, fire it up, activate the licence.....only to be branded a thief because someone else has hijacked your activation key!

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37941

Regards,

Willy.

As a fairly serious gamer (my video card is worth more than my first two cars added together) I won't be going near Vista until DirectX 10.0 forces me to.

having used both Beta versions prior to the official release i was quite happy to complete the journey and purchased the O.E.M. Ultimate edition.
not had any real gripes with installation being a real breeze compared to poor old XP!,using dual Nvidia 7900gt's in SLI and this evening installed driver 100.41 thus enabling SLI for the 1st time with Vista.
yes, i do play a few games and for now dx9 is fine....upcoming releases like CRYSIS and Hellgate London should be good axccording to videos available but i'm not going to rush out and dump my 7900's any time soon!.

dennis

The improved shaders in DirectX 10 will not make a night and day difference to the appearence of the world in 3D games. Nor do I believe that game developers will alienate the vast majority of their audience by coding only for DirectX 10-capable hardware - not for at least two years yet (an ice-age, in other words).

Jeez TOKSIK, with 7900GT's in an SLI rig, I certainly hope you play a few games and it's not all simply to make the Aero desktop work properly.... !

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Originally posted by GML:
Or maybe better still, go for an iMac.

Good move - you'll never look back.

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Originally posted by ROTF:

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Originally posted by GML:
Or maybe better still, go for an iMac.

Good move - you'll never look back.

Good thing the contributors in the HiFi Room don't bring up the same old behind-the-times manufacturer every time somebody mentions they want to buy a new record player at the cutting edge of technology.

Oh, wait...

What's cutting edge technology got to do with Microsoft - aren't they the reason there has been so little progress in computing in the last 20 years?

At least Apple have a go at innovation and making products easy to use.

Now back to my favourite computer ...

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Good move - you'll never look back.

Apple are on a roll at the moment but its all fed from ipod and itunes profits....They will have to be careful not to drop the ball...

I'll stick with my T41 and XP-Pro for now...

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Originally posted by ROTF:
What's cutting edge technology got to do with Microsoft

Um, what exactly has it got to do with Apple either? Their processors are always slower and more expensive than what's available in the PC architecture. But hey, if all you use your pooter for is word-processing and a little image manipulation then you've already got ten times more computer than you really need for such pitifully undemanding applications. The rest of what you bought is branding and translucent plastic.

The DirectX suite of APIs is actually pretty trim and not an appalling example of software like most of the rest of what Gates sells.

Some old shit.

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Originally posted by garyi:
Some old shit.

Exactly. But the Mac owners seem always to feel the need to promote their choices whenever the subject of computers comes up in the Padded Cell.

Why is that, I wonder? Are Mac owners all deeply insecure or something?

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Originally posted by Deane F:

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Originally posted by ROTF:
What's cutting edge technology got to do with Microsoft

Um, what exactly has it got to do with Apple either? Their processors are always slower and more expensive than what's available in the PC architecture. But hey, if all you use your pooter for is word-processing and a little image manipulation then you've already got ten times more computer than you really need for such pitifully undemanding applications. The rest of what you bought is branding and translucent plastic.

The DirectX suite of APIs is actually pretty trim and not an appalling example of software like most of the rest of what Gates sells.

I use the Apple for serious business programming in my work. XTools comes free with OS X as quite marvellous for what I do. I wish we still had HyperCard.

I don't play games so don't need a Windoze PC. It's far too difficult to program compared with a Unix based system. There are better systems than Unix and much better network protocols than TCP/IP, but none of these comes from the MS dinosaur. My point is MS has only held desktop computing back with its ponderous applications: it's server OS is worse.

The Amiga was around in 1986 and had a full pre-emptive multi-tasking OS that ran in 64k and a very nice GUI - silly disk operations, but you can't have everything. Are any desktop computers around today better than Amiga: well yes, but not by as much as you'd hope after 20 years.

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Originally posted by ROTF:

Are any desktop computers around today better than Amiga: well yes, but not by as much as you'd hope after 20 years.

But the development of desktop computers has been forced upon a very limited initial concept - any real change has been in the external data bus. The instruction set isn't really a hell of a lot bigger after 20 years either. I don't see that as the fault of software designers.

So, heading for a 45 nanometre process now, the possibility for further developments are coming to their natural end - unless somebody finds a way to focus x-rays. What is needed is a shift in paradigm.

Running it on my MacBook Pro as I type–actually works with more things than I thought, not nearly as bad as the Win2K to XP transition.

User Interface still feels like a geek toy, though. (I always ran XP in "Classic" theme, like Win2K, anyways...)

Quite a few journalists use Mac's because they are more reliable than Windows laptop's and PC's; and they don't have to suffer from the 99% of Virii, spyware and malware on the internet, written specifically for Microsoft products.

True Mac's are expensive for what you get, but they are free from the nasties afflicting Microsoft products. So it makes more sense to use a Mac or other non Microsoft Operating systems, which are safer and more reliable to use.

Microsoft's Antivirus program OneCare and their Antispyware program have been criticised in the last week for their inadequate performance. If they can't get them right, what other poorly written code is in Vista itself?

Vista is effectively Beta software that has been rushed out and it shows. The level of criticism I have seen for Vista is higher than I can recall for any previous Microsoft OS. It's vying with Windows Me as possibly Microsoft's worse OS.

None of my friends in IT are recommending it because they consider it not stable enough to use in a business environment, too many problems. They recommend staying with XP Pro

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None of my friends in IT are recommending it because they consider it not stable enough to use in a business environment, too many problems. They recommend staying with XP Pro

Most businesses never move to a new O/S until it has been on the market for a year any way.

I work for a council and my work PC went from W95 to XP in 2006...

Windows may have its flaws but it is dominant.

Apple is only widespread with arty farty architects and journos.

I am amused the awestruck apple geeks that worship what is just another product.

Haha, I am awstruck that people who have to use a shit PC at work Choose to use one at home.

but hey its all good fun, and lets face it in today's society we all use it for the same thing. To get on the web and slag each other off about a bunch of electronics, whilst accusing the otherside of such and claiming we are not doing the same.

Its all rather sad. From both sides of the fence.

ROFLMAO...very true.

My PC at work is fine for the dull job I do and a Mac would be no different.

I fancied trying an ibook but they are vastly overpriced so got an IBM T41 Thinkpad. Probably the opposite of all the style of an ibook....but a great laptop.

Oh and I do find that Apple fanboys are quicker to bite than wondoze boys though...

Yeah yeah, and I'm sure all you Mac-boys had Betamax too.

Better isn't the point. Hardware is nothing without software. Who wants a console gaming system with only six game titles available? Not me.

The PC architecture allows the user to specialise their machine according to their needs/interests and the vast sea of software that is available to them.

But the real point for me is this: if I could (virtually) shoot/chainsaw/grenade (virtual) people better on a Mac than I could on a PC - well then I'd have a Mac.

Loved my Betamax!
Totally understand PC for gaming, though I prefer a dedicated console for better graphics and big screen fun, but hey no matter how the killing gets done as long as it's fun.

p.s. ProTools is a natural on a Mac as well so that tipped the scales toward new macbook pro as well, but I digress into defensive fanboy mode...

rOb

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Originally posted by Melnobone:
I ... got an IBM T41 Thinkpad. Probably the opposite of all the style of an ibook....but a great laptop.

Great laptop maybe, but mediocre software IMO. It could and should be a lot better. Mac OS X is a lot better, but even it is far from where I think modern computing should be. BTW make sure you keep that virus scanner up to date. In the work environment, you'd be better off using DOS and a copy of WordPerfect office - I think you'd find it was more productive.

I find it is strange that Windoze people always rally to defend it, isn't it similar to people who buy Sony hi-fi and ridicule Naim users for simply wanting to use something better.

That said, I think these kind of arguments are academic - as long as Apple keep making Mac then that's fine. I've really no desire to use a Windoze PC more than I have to.

All the best, Rotf

Living in a Microsoft free environment

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Originally posted by Deane F:

But the real point for me is this: if I could (virtually) shoot/chainsaw/grenade (virtual) people better on a Mac than I could on a PC - well then I'd have a Mac.

Hmm - I don't even know if there are any computer games for my Mac - can't imagine I'd ever want any.

Are you saying the Windoze PC is essentially a games console?

Most people I see using Windoze are at work and all they do is Word Processing, Spreadsheet and access the Intranet/Internet - can't help thinking that there should be a much more effective OS than Windoze to do this.