Cinematic Orchestra, Man with the Movie Camera
Posted by: garyi on 31 May 2003
The thread title is a new release by the excellent Cinematic Orchestra on the Ninja Label.
This music is just that, utterly musical but bang up to date, and the drummer is out of this world.
This recording was actually Cinematic Orchestras attempt at a sound track for a very old movie called Man with The Movie Camera from 1929, and is also available with this soundtrack on DVD.
Its essential listening for anyone who enjoys music.
There is no electronics here, there is orchestra with utter beauty and normal band drums and bass.
Its fantastic, well recorded and available on vinyl.
Those that have EVERY DAY, some of the tracks are actually on this album, but originate from here, they are not the same recordings, but the feel is there.
Frankly this is my album of the year so far.
Buy it!
This music is just that, utterly musical but bang up to date, and the drummer is out of this world.
This recording was actually Cinematic Orchestras attempt at a sound track for a very old movie called Man with The Movie Camera from 1929, and is also available with this soundtrack on DVD.
Its essential listening for anyone who enjoys music.
There is no electronics here, there is orchestra with utter beauty and normal band drums and bass.
Its fantastic, well recorded and available on vinyl.
Those that have EVERY DAY, some of the tracks are actually on this album, but originate from here, they are not the same recordings, but the feel is there.
Frankly this is my album of the year so far.
Buy it!
Posted on: 31 May 2003 by Mike Sae
Sounds marvelous, it'll be my next purchase.
I've only got one Cinematic Orchestra: "Remixes". It's OK, but I should give it another shot.
I've only got one Cinematic Orchestra: "Remixes". It's OK, but I should give it another shot.
Posted on: 31 May 2003 by garyi
That is not even worthy of consideration Mike.
Every day and this one are excellent.
Motion, their other album is also good, but a bit too heavy Jazz orientated for my tastes.
Every day and this one are excellent.
Motion, their other album is also good, but a bit too heavy Jazz orientated for my tastes.
Posted on: 31 May 2003 by Mike Hanson
I'm going to see them play live here in Toronto in a month or so. I'm really looking forward to it.
BTW, I've also got "Motion" and "Everyday", and enjoy them both (for slightly different reasons)
-=> Mike Hanson <=-
BTW, I've also got "Motion" and "Everyday", and enjoy them both (for slightly different reasons)
-=> Mike Hanson <=-
Posted on: 31 May 2003 by Thomas K
Gary,
Thanks for reminding me. I'd made note of the upcoming release two months ago but had forgotten.
Listened to the soundfiles at ninjatune -- sounds excellent.
Thomas
Thanks for reminding me. I'd made note of the upcoming release two months ago but had forgotten.
Listened to the soundfiles at ninjatune -- sounds excellent.
Thomas
Posted on: 01 June 2003 by sideshowbob
Don't know anything about the music, but Vertov's film, Man With A Movie Camera, is a classic of Soviet avant-garde film-making, so you should all get the DVD as well.
Review to whet your appetite:
http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue05/reviews/vertov.htm
-- Ian
Review to whet your appetite:
http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue05/reviews/vertov.htm
-- Ian
Posted on: 05 June 2003 by the other nickc
garyi
Got this yesterday,
you're right,
it really is quite fabulous.
Got this yesterday,
you're right,
it really is quite fabulous.
Posted on: 05 June 2003 by Martin C
Hi Garyi,
I did not get 'everyday', as I had a brief listen in HMV when it was released, I thought it's too jazzy. I found 'Motion' is more chill out or downtempo if you like. Especially the track 'Channel 1 suite', excellent track, I heard it from Anotherlatenight - Zero7, that why I get it, I also have the remixed, not as good as the original.
Perhaps I should give 'Everyday' another chance, so should I get 'Everyday' or 'Man with the movie camera'?
cheers
Martin
I did not get 'everyday', as I had a brief listen in HMV when it was released, I thought it's too jazzy. I found 'Motion' is more chill out or downtempo if you like. Especially the track 'Channel 1 suite', excellent track, I heard it from Anotherlatenight - Zero7, that why I get it, I also have the remixed, not as good as the original.
Perhaps I should give 'Everyday' another chance, so should I get 'Everyday' or 'Man with the movie camera'?
cheers
Martin
Posted on: 06 June 2003 by garyi
They are indeed Nick, but there are also very different!
Posted on: 06 June 2003 by throbnorth
Did anyone see Man With A Movie Camera with the Michael Nyman soundtrack on BBC4 a couple of weeks ago, and if so was it [the score] any good? Forgot to record it, but I expect It'll be around again soon.
throb
throb
Posted on: 09 June 2003 by Simon Matthews
Thanks for the tip Garyi.
Sounds great after the first listen.
Nice sleeve art also.
Sounds great after the first listen.
Nice sleeve art also.
Posted on: 26 June 2003 by Martin C
Hi there,
Saw the DVD in the shop, did any of you bought it. Just wonder whether disc 1 is an audio CD & disc 2 is DVD (video), it's only 15 quids.
cheers
Martin
Saw the DVD in the shop, did any of you bought it. Just wonder whether disc 1 is an audio CD & disc 2 is DVD (video), it's only 15 quids.
cheers
Martin
Posted on: 27 June 2003 by blythe
I've just ordered the Cinematic Orchestra Man With A Movie Camera after reading all your favorable comments and I can't wait for it to arrive.
If I hate it, I'll come round and spank you all!
Computers are supposed to work on 1's and 0's - in other words "Yes" or "No" - why does mine frequently say "Maybe"?......
If I hate it, I'll come round and spank you all!
Computers are supposed to work on 1's and 0's - in other words "Yes" or "No" - why does mine frequently say "Maybe"?......
Posted on: 27 June 2003 by greeny
I've not got this. But for some balance, The review in 'Q' says:
"despite it's studied artiness, it might just hold your interest" 3***
"despite it's studied artiness, it might just hold your interest" 3***
Posted on: 01 July 2003 by blythe
quote:
Originally posted by greeny:
I've not got this. But for some balance, The review in 'Q' says:
"despite it's studied artiness, it might just hold your interest" 3***
I can understand what the Q review means about artiness and yes it does hold my interest.
I'll have to play it a few times before I decide.
It's certainly interesting and the bass is heavy!
Technically good but I guess I'll have to grow into the music. Very atmospheric.
What's with the "Fog Horn" bit though??? I laughed at the that bit.......
Sounds a bit "strange" in parts - but again, I'm sure I'll get past thinking that in a few listens.
I don't regret buying it and suspect it'll be on my player for a while.
Computers are supposed to work on 1's and 0's - in other words "Yes" or "No" - why does mine frequently say "Maybe"?......
Posted on: 01 July 2003 by Mike Hanson
I went to see them last night, and it was another failure of the "Live" idiom. Although I think the music was good, and their playing seemed capable, the event was marred by many deleterious aspects:
Overall it was a very disappointing experience. Fortunately I have a stellar stereo at home. I picked up a copy of "Man with a Camera" at the show, and it sounds great. Not only that, I can play what I want, when I want, at the volumes that I want, and no one's standing beside me shouting and smoking.
I'm starting to question whether I should even bother going to a live gig again. I enjoy fewer than 1-in-5 concert experiences, whereas my home listening is almost always pleasurable. That having been said, I'm seeing Steely Dan in a questionable venue (the Molson Amphitheater) in August. Which me luckā¦
-=> Mike Hanson <=-
- The doors didn't open until 9pm, and they were supposed to start playing at 10pm, but didn't actually get going until 11pm. This is well past my regular bedtime, so I dozed through much of the performance.
- During our wait for the show to begin, they had some idiot DJ who was playing stuff so loud, that I almost felt like vomiting from the body blows. Fortunately I had earplugs that cut everything by about 30dB.
- Once the band got playing, the volume was reduced to a somewhat bearable level, so that I could remove the earplugs. However, the general sound quality was still quite awful, with only the drums and bass sounding at all realistic. The rest of the members were lost in a shrill din.
- On their recorded material, Cinematic Orchestra is generally great at formulating an idea, and incorporating all of the elements to the benefit of that musical concept. However, in the live forum they often lost the plot, going off on inappropriate, self-indulgent solos. Sure they're talented musicians, but that doesn't give them a license to masturbate on-stage.
Don't suggest that I have a problem with improvisations! I saw the Wayne Shorter quartet last week; it was almost "free jazz", and it was stupendous (as was the sound quality, btw)! Improvisations should always make sense in the greater context of the work. - Because the band took so long to start, much of the crowd was drunk and annoyed, and many of the attendees were shouting out sarcastic barbs. Also (astonishingly), the audience almost drowned out the band. I'm not sure how this was possible, as the band was very loud to begin with.
- Smoking was allowed at the venue. After getting in near 1:30am, I had to take a shower to get the stench off of me. Fortunately, this will soon be a thing of the past here in Toronto, with anti-smoking bi-laws adding bars to the list of banned locations. (Restaurants are already smoke free. )
Overall it was a very disappointing experience. Fortunately I have a stellar stereo at home. I picked up a copy of "Man with a Camera" at the show, and it sounds great. Not only that, I can play what I want, when I want, at the volumes that I want, and no one's standing beside me shouting and smoking.
I'm starting to question whether I should even bother going to a live gig again. I enjoy fewer than 1-in-5 concert experiences, whereas my home listening is almost always pleasurable. That having been said, I'm seeing Steely Dan in a questionable venue (the Molson Amphitheater) in August. Which me luckā¦
-=> Mike Hanson <=-
Posted on: 01 July 2003 by matthewr
Staying up past your bedtime is the new Rock and Roll Mike.
Posted on: 01 July 2003 by Mike Hanson
quote:
Originally posted by Matthew Robinson:
Staying up past your bedtime is the new Rock and Roll Mike.
I know that many people think it's "cool" to start your evening at 11pm, but this has never been something that made sense to me. Even as a teenager and young adult, I rebelled against that late night lifestyle.
I've noticed a real stratification of attitudes regarding this. Pretty much all of my friend's agree with me, but obviously there's still a booming market for late night events. Oh well...
Besides, if the music is that good it should keep me awake. Right?
-=> Mike Hanson <=-
Posted on: 02 July 2003 by Jay
Mike
There was something very Parryish about your post (no offense Mick!). I laughed just about all the way through, especially at this bit...
Jay
PS Thx for the HT comments on the "other" forum - looking for some Doublets now!
Yeah...well it seemed like a good idea at the time.
There was something very Parryish about your post (no offense Mick!). I laughed just about all the way through, especially at this bit...
quote:
However, the general sound quality was still quite awful, with only the drums and bass sounding at all realistic.
Jay
PS Thx for the HT comments on the "other" forum - looking for some Doublets now!
Yeah...well it seemed like a good idea at the time.
Posted on: 02 July 2003 by Mike Hanson
quote:
Originally posted by Jay:
There was something very Parryish about your post
Yeah, I sort of realized it as I was writing it. My sentiments were true, though.
quote:
PS Thx for the HT comments on the "other" forum - looking for some Doublets now!
Glad to hear it. Later this week I'll pick-up the RR2s, and then compare them to the RR3s and Albions. It should be fun.
BTW, I'm supposed to get getting a new Home Theater Master MX-700 remote control later today, so that I can finally program my system to work "easily". The existing Marantz RC-2000 Mark II was a flexible remote, but now my HT system's become too complex for it to do the job, so soon it will be off to eBay...
-=> Mike Hanson <=-
Posted on: 15 July 2003 by dave brubeck
It's OK, doesnt merit the amount of praise given on here I feel.
..not a patch on any of my magnificent time in/ out/ further out recordings...
..not a patch on any of my magnificent time in/ out/ further out recordings...