The naim uniti

Posted by: garyi on 08 August 2009

A good friend of mine has gone on his summer holidays and I managed to blag his uniti!

So in preparation I set up the drobo to run a upnp server. In all this has been the most difficult thing. The good news is I have trimmed out some of the stuff I simply do not listen too so had the library back down to about 10,000 tunes. However the majority of them are apple lossless. Now as I understand it the uniti can play what ever the server will throw at it. It turns out fuppes UPNP server for drobo does not throw out apple lossless.

I have my music backed up to another harddrive so consequently I have been in the process of converting them lossless to the highest quality MP3. A long process really when dealing with a NAS. About half way there after most of the day.

IN the mean time I have put the uniti in and fuppes server is dishing up the 3000 or so tracks already as ACC etc.

The uniti has been hooked up with ethernet. No doubt wireless works but I spent a lot of effort putting gigabit ethernet through the house so may as well use it.

I am not using the amp section of the uniti right now. Its hooked up straight and simple with line out to the supernait with a shitty pair of monster leads. The purpose of this is to get as far as possible a feel for the sound compared to my current set up which is a mac mini outputing into an nvi and passed through to the supernait for stereo replay.

To this end set up was very simple, ethernet lead in, phonos out and a power lead!

On turn on I have reset all settings, said friend might be pissed off on his return but hey there you go. Obviously first port of call is the UPNP section and sure enough boom there is the fuppes server. Thank god.

Now because a lot of the music is lossless a lot of the music choices simply lead to empty folders and thats fair enough I know why this is. Also picture jpgs etc appear in the folders regardless, no doubt there is a setting in fuppes, infact I am sure there is to turn off pictures being picked up.

I also have a lot of NFO files. Which are created by XBMC media programme to keep info on the music. Again fuppes picks this up and in some instances I land up with the music doubled up as it reads the NFO files. Not the fault of uniti and something I can deal with from XBMC.

The remote is one of the best from naim, apart from their metal jobs of course. A good weight and the buttons make a nice solid press.

So how does it sound?

Well I am disappointed. Disappointed that my assumptions on digital replay has been blown out of the water. My belief that a mac mini banged into a supernait was the be all and end all has been destroyed by a streaming section of a multi device from naim.

Put into a single word this thing is awesome. I am hearing great stereo separation and some seriously nice bass, its got that lovely feel to the sound where you are confident in turning it up if you know what I mean.

Kind of gives me the shits really, as the simple belief that the mini was the best was easy and done with 500 quid haha.

Anyway here we go then, pick one up if you have been thinking about it. There might be a bit of work to get your music library done but otherwise its dead easy and sounds superb. In the mean time I shall use Max or XLD to import some music as FLAC and see how that sounds as this is uspported by fuppes.

One other thing the iradio is fantastic, I cannot get a reception round here so internet based is obviously great news.

I just need to decide if I deny knowing my mate when he is back from holiday...
Posted on: 08 August 2009 by james n
Why cant Naim just put the streaming section in a box - just want people with existing kit want.

Macmini - not wasted. Great interface with iTunes. Just needs a decent DAC on the end of it.
Posted on: 08 August 2009 by Eloise
Have you tried the Mac Mini into the digital input of the NaimUnity? Or do I now feel really foolish and there is no digital input?

Eloise
Posted on: 08 August 2009 by js
It has them. The SN is better at dig in. The difference is in the players and interface.
Posted on: 08 August 2009 by garyi
YEa basically I have lots of experiments open to me right now.

Long and short is I am finding the uniti a lot more engaging for music than them mini.

The mini is a great device, I have in excess of 350 movies on the drobo as well all in glorious five point one so the mini is very important to me. But it would appear the uniti is better at musical reproduction. Anyone would have thought I hifi company made it or something.

Just need to find a way to control it with the ipod. Yes I have plug player and it works, but only to a fashion, you have to create playlists in order to play anything and it stops after each track!
Posted on: 08 August 2009 by pcstockton
Garyi,

I hate to even say it but.... Try the Foobar app and Foobar as a UPnP player/renderer.

The Foobar iPhone controller is as close to the Remote as possible and will be all but identical in a few weeks.

edit: oooops. Forgot your a mac man.....
Posted on: 08 August 2009 by garyi
Patrick, foobar is not available for the drobo. I am running the UPNP server direct from the drobo, no computers involved.
Posted on: 08 August 2009 by JonR
I'm glad you like the Uniti, garyi, it's a cracking piece of kit. When funds permit, I think I may get one myself.
Posted on: 08 August 2009 by David Dever
You should really try Allegro + EyeConnect off your Mac. (I'd have my doubts about using a Drobo + fuppes as a primary UPnP NAS server long-term, a fantastic product though it may be for backup purposes.)
Posted on: 08 August 2009 by Occean
My suggestion for you mini mac would investigate a way of improving the digital out. I find my sonos superior to both my MacBook and pc in terms of quality. All I can put it down to is digital out quality.
Posted on: 08 August 2009 by garyi
Well Occean in the defence of the mini perhaps what we are looking at is the overall package. My mini is passing through a NVI to get to the digi in on the supernait.

The uniti is doing all the processing and delivering analogue to the supernait. So has less far to go.

Look to me it seems pretty simple, the uniti was designed by audio people and is delivering audiophile music. The mini, well in my set up its not. My bias has been revealed to you all.

My damascas moment is all well and good, I still have to give the damn thing back!

David. The drobo has had up time of months and months. I fail to see why it cannot be used as a UPNP server? Plus its freeware, baring in mind once I loose this lovely bit of kit I will again have no use for UPNP.
Posted on: 09 August 2009 by garyi
Yes I'll hook the mini up later.

The implication there being that the supernaits DAC is not very good. This is not true boys.

I just think they have hit on a gem with the uniti. I just don't need the amp bit so yes come on naim do a streamer!
Posted on: 09 August 2009 by garyi
OK I could be forced down the computer route, having deleted the NFO files the weird file names remain and a dim distant part of my brain tells me its how certain programmes deal with the 'fork' in an apple file structure.

To whit I land up with two files per song: songname_mpeg and songname.mpeg

The _ file is not a song, rather a resource fork from the apple extended file system.

Dave are you able to confim this does not happen with other UPNP software for mac?

Its hardly a deal breaker but it does look messy.
Posted on: 09 August 2009 by garyi
OK Allegro works fine, bit steep 30 quid though!

I don't see why I would need eye connect though?
Posted on: 09 August 2009 by Eloise
Gary ...

If I read it correctly, eye connect will transcode from ALAC to WAV, saving you having to convert everything first. I I read the license correctly, if you only wan to stream audio, eye connect is free.

Eloise
Posted on: 09 August 2009 by garyi
Bugger never read that haha. All I saw was 50 bucks. Mind you that is probably for the functionality of converting files of which I have just painstakingly done!

I am just interested to know how it all plays when the drives have to spin up from the drobo, resulting in about a 5 second delay...
Posted on: 09 August 2009 by Joe Bibb
The Uniti looks very good indeed, but isn't this sonic comparison more to do with the DACs used?

Joe
Posted on: 09 August 2009 by garyi
Not the way I am doing it right now I would argue. I would need to hook the mini up to the uniti. Poor things been sat there doing nothing all weekend.
Posted on: 10 August 2009 by nap-ster
Was it a mistake not having a digital out on the Uniti?
Posted on: 10 August 2009 by fixedwheel
Am I right in thinking you are running fuppes on a DroboShare, rather than a vanilla Drobo?

Just making sure no-one gets confused.

John
Posted on: 10 August 2009 by garyi
I don't know what a vanilla drobo is?

Yes I did have fuppes running direct from the drobo(Share) so its to all intents and purposes a NAS. It works but its listing everything int he folders, ds_stores, jpgs, etc etc. So I have stumped up for Allegro which is working fine. However it requires the mini to be running all the time.

I suppose I could moan about that except it runs allt he time anyhow Winker

Napster. I am not sure what you mean by mistake. I think the way I am using this uniti is perhaps a little bit out of spec to what it was intended for. I would not hesitate to purchase as the solution it is, but long term how it works and sounds but as a streamer would be my preference. And when that product arrives I would expect digital out to be included.

If naim have no intention of releasing a streamer, then yes it was a mistake not to include one on the uniti!
Posted on: 10 August 2009 by fixedwheel
quote:
Originally posted by garyi:
I don't know what a vanilla drobo is?


vanilla = plain, unadorned Drobo

I just wanted others to be aware to run fuppes on a Drobo that you need the optional, extra cost, DroboShare.

John
Posted on: 10 August 2009 by David Dever
quote:
Originally posted by nap-ster:
Was it a mistake not having a digital out on the Uniti?


No, as it has DAC inputs, it is intended as an all-in-one destination, not a source. Imply from that what you will.
Posted on: 12 August 2009 by themrock
Hallo,
a friend of mine is interested in the NaimUnity.
What we both didnt like, is the way to navigate with the naim controller and the old fashioned display at the NaimUnity. Exspecially when you use it as a streaming unit for an attached NAS.
In this case it would be much better, when there would be a controller based graphic solution like SBDuett or Sonos etc.
Now my question, is there a possibility to use a ipodtouch or something like this, as a controller, so that i can see the covers etc.
Thank you
Posted on: 12 August 2009 by garyi
There is an application for the touch. Its a peice of crap though. You seem to have to create a playlist before you can play anything and it has a habit of stopping at the end of track and not playin gthe next one.

However its an imerging technology I feel certain someone will come up with the proper job sooner or later.
Posted on: 12 August 2009 by Eloise
Has anyone tried the Nokia N880 internet table with the NaimUnity as that has a UPnP controller IIRC.

Eloise