Naim compatibility with Mains conditioners etc

claptonuk

Have you considered HRT?

claptonuk

Please grow up.

I don't, and have never purported to, represent Naim. Do you speak for Eric Clapton while he's in the UK?

And you're wrong about my age as well.

G

Point taken Graham, I apologise, but your location translates to Naim Audio, London. I assumed wrongly that you were part of that team.

I honestly thought the Naim community was a small, close knit unit that might sympathise with fellow users and help them with their problems. I was a tad wrong with that one which is why I reacted the way I did. I am not sorry for that however.

By the way I have found a very helpful guy at a Hi-FI business in Herts who, after hearing my story of woe and exploring a number of options, is lending me an Audiophile APS 1050i mains regenerator for a couple of weeks.

According to this guy there is not only the advantage of the safety aspect but also because of the pure power resulting from this quite a dramatic improvement in separation etc.... results. A ray of sunshine on a very cloudy day!

Amazing when you consider the friendliest, best advice and help I could get was from outside the Naim arena!!

On that note I will remove myself from the group quite disappointed that Naim continue to sponsor this.

Kev Clapton (UK)

This was pathetic...

Marc

Wrong, pathetic is pointed in the wrong direction. I note you limit yourself to few words and none of them constructive, that is pathetic.

The truth can hurt a little and obviously does in this case. Sadly your response is exactly what I have come to expect from contributers to this forum.

Kev

quote:

Originally posted by claptonuk:
Marc

Wrong, pathetic is pointed in the wrong direction. I note you limit yourself to few words and none of them constructive, that is pathetic.

The truth can hurt a little and obviously does in this case. Sadly your response is exactly what I have come to expect from contributers to this forum.

Kev

Kev!!!!
You got it wrong!!!!
SLOW DOWN!!!
Read it a bit slower....

I was commenting on the whole....
That your needs were not met and your perception of Naim and the forum body is tainted....

Marc

Agression and communication are poor bedfellows.

Marc

Oh no! My one supporter and i've probably lost him now!

Deepest and sincere apologies, but after all the previous responses you have to see the way I read it!

quote:

Originally posted by claptonuk:
Marc

Oh no! My one supporter and i've probably lost him now!

Deepest and sincere apologies, but after all the previous responses you have to see the way I read it!

Kev-
No Worries here..
Please lower the blood pressure...
You can thrive here if you take that moment to understand the rules and policies...Not many forums have these that are actually followed up upon..
Never the less- Relax and enjoy..I am sure all of us have had the same thoughts as you at some point or another..
Why this got stupid is not important(IMHO).
You need to try and understand the community your walking into and bring what you have to offer in form of value...
The same questions are asked on a daily basis.
Over and over again. There are solutions to your issues with mains.
The forum body,the one you are addressing,has more ability to attack your core issue,than any other I have ever seen.

Why don't you start another thread. Have Adam burn this one and start clean on the Hi fi board.

Remember,these are just suggestions.

Going back to bed,

Marc

Kev

Regarding the James Audio unit you can read about it on:-

http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&th...int/esaCP/index.html

This is what prompted me to try one. I think it is a very good product and should help quite a few people out. However, with my system and NOT catastrophic mains like in your case, I do miss certain aspects of what the mains does but this is quite variable and at times my system sounds not so good. If you are more interested in the following "According to this guy there is not only the advantage of the safety aspect but also because of the pure power resulting from this quite a dramatic improvement in separation etc.... results", I can say without reservation that you will get this with the James. It also has the characteristic of not sitting on the music like so many conditioners seem to have. I cannot speak of many but I tried a Nordost Thor and found this not particularly good in this respect.

Hope this helps

Mark

<Regarding the James Audio unit you can read about it on:- >

Marc & Mark

Thanks for the advice, immediately heeded.

I certainly will take a look at the James if I can get it on dem for a short period. There are favourable reports, inluding your own, of compatibility with Naim kit so it looks promising.

I really do like the look of the Audiophile mains regeneration unit 1050 though so, having already been offered one on loan, I will give it a try. If anyone is interested their products can be viewed on the bolow link.

http://www.audiophileaps.com

Kev

If I may be so bold as to tread carefully back into this thread...

Hi claptonuk,

I hope you get more information that you desire - I derive much advice and info here and try to contribute when I can. I missed this post growing or I'd have jumped in earlier.

Maybe it wasn't explained to you when your threads were moved that discussions of mains could only be carried in the Padded Cell, due to a decision made after many posts were made which may have encouraged compromised safety in the use of Naim kit, which the folk at Naim felt they could not be seen to support or encourage via their own website.

If I'd had expensive kit go pop as a result of a power surge I'd be more than a little bit upset too.

Anyway - I see that the conversation has moved one to power conditioners and such. But, if I may ask, do you still have your original problem, which is that of frequent power cuts followed by apparent surges on power-up? I ask because this appears to be the root cause of your problems and the need for repairs and surge protection. True, a generic power conditioner may provide surge protection, which you certainly need right now, yet if you could rely on your mains to not cut-off and then surge back on, the recommended path would be to avoid power conditioners altogether.

So in short, any joy with your power distribution firm? After all, you're paying for a service that it seems they just haven't been supplying.

Best regards,

Richard

Richard

Thankyou for your post, reassuring.

I now have all my Naim kit back from upgrade & repair and its all plugged in and warming up (hope that "mains" statement doesn't waken the moderators!).

I have used a spare AV "Belk**" 8 way dist unit incorporating a 4 zone surge protector to connect up. I'll give it a couple of days before really becoming judgemental but initial thoughts are quite promising.

I have given up with the Electricity supplier, I believe it will be 2 years before we get a stable supply here.

All the best

Kev

Why dont you insure your kit and be gone with any conditioners?

regards,

quote:

Originally posted by claptonuk:
Richard

Thankyou for your post, reassuring.

I now have all my Naim kit back from upgrade & repair and its all plugged in and warming up (hope that "mains" statement doesn't waken the moderators!).

I have used a spare AV "Belk**" 8 way dist unit incorporating a 4 zone surge protector to connect up. I'll give it a couple of days before really becoming judgemental but initial thoughts are quite promising.

I have given up with the Electricity supplier, I believe it will be 2 years before we get a stable supply here.

All the best

Kev

In your situation, I'd contact a Consumer Organisation or even write to my MP - I have found such things often bring results - I was surprised until I tried it. You're entitled to a good standard of service from utility providers - I'm sure you pay enough for it.

The Belkin, although not sonically ideal, may help remove the mains surge problem, I have one for my Apple kit and it works very well at protecting it.

Good luck in solving what must be a very annoying problem.

Rotf

So are supercaps, hicaps etc not regulating the power that comes in?

Kev,
The way forwards is to try a couple. General consensus is they don't work, but a few here do get on with them well. i went another way, and altered my mains...

andy c!

Thanks once again for the posts.

My newly repaired NAT01 has reverted to its pre repaired state ! Its broke again less than 8 hours after being plugged back in. Fair play to Naim though, I really do appreciate the fact that, even though the problem has returned and the tuner has to go back once again, you cannot fault Naims customer service. I am so pleased I bought from a company than really appears to care about its customer when things go wrong.

I tried the 4zone Belkin surge and it doesn't do dreadful things with the sound after all, more time will tell though.

I will take a loan of the Purepower regenerator next wednesday so will let you know how I get on.

Cheers

Kev

All this equipment is named on the insurance so the cost of repair is not an issue. What is a concern, however, is not having a working system while it is away for 2-3weeks for repair.

Cheers