You think our speed cameras are sneaky?

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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
From a revenue-raising POV it's far better to put them on the long safe straight stretch with a long lazer beam that gets you before you've even seen the device.

Good. If a driver wants to act like a boy racer on a road like that, they can pay up and shut up. Personally, if you're driving like that, you should have your licence abolished and not be allowed to have another one - speeding should be as socially unacceptable as driving when pissed.

If you can't drive within limits, don't drive at all.

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Originally posted by domfjbrown:
- speeding should be as socially unacceptable as driving when pissed.

...or tired.

Or smoking, yawning, talking, blinking...

..or being a right winger.

Note: Domfjbrown doesn't drive. Not his fault but the fact remains. It's an important fact because the only way to understand that it may be perfectly safe to put your foot down on the straight, but slow down to well below the speed limit for the blind corner/summit, is to be an experienced driver.

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speeding should be as socially unacceptable as driving when pissed.

The government came out with that little soundbite a few years back. With so many drivers now racking up speeding fines (1 in 5 having an endorsed licence iirc) their policy has actually had the adverse effect: speeding is now less socially unacceptable than it was a few years back to the extent that insurers will now let you have up to 6 points on your license without loading your premium.

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If you can't drive within limits, don't drive at all.

Can. Don't want to all the time. Would prefer other aspects of more dangerous driving to be sanctioned than speed limit non-compliance. Safer roads as a result - I know that because I do 50k a year.

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Further in order to reduce accidents that police should be tackling bad and dangerous driving and not relying on policing by arbitrary numbers.

You get what you pay for, in several directions e.g. cost, government policy....

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Interesting given the profusion elsewhere. Are some forces reading these rules differently?

Yes. Some forces put cameras where there have been accidents where it can be shown that speed was a factor, and have the results to show the cameras presence, slowing cars down, has been a factor in crash reduction.

Others put them where drivers are most likely to exceed the speed limit, i.e: on safe stretches of road.

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Originally posted by Steve Toy:
Others put them where drivers are most likely to exceed the speed limit

yep, a favourite of the various Australian police forces. Most of the speed traps you'll encounter will be on dual-carriageways/motorways - and only in good weather 'cause the cops don't want to get wet while writing you a ticket.

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and only in good weather 'cause the cops don't want to get wet while writing you a ticket.

...and the problem with this is?

'cos they don't give us gortex jeckets You know! (well, they do now, depending upon your dept etc )

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Originally posted by andy c:
...and the problem with this is?

well surely if it's all about safety then it's more dangerous to be driving above the limit (or even at the limit) in the wet? Not as much money in it though.

John,

er...I was joking....

well I did realise that, unless you've emigrated and not told anyone. Still, I figured it was necessary to point out the obvious to some around these parts.

The Queensland Police will take bribes in any weather though...

John,
FYI the pro lazer 20.20 works fine thru glass - so you don't have to get wet zapping the oncoming speeding vehicle from 1000 meters away!

Oh, and modern Volvo's have lekky windows - U can wind em down whlist facing in the correct direction and Zap away - speaking from considerable experience of doing just that, too.

andy c!

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Originally posted by andy c:
FYI the pro lazer 20.20 works fine thru glass - so you don't have to get wet zapping the oncoming speeding vehicle from 1000 meters away!

ooh, we are being controversial. Firing a laser through water AND glass ... bet you're catching lots of people driving at 300mph

...what you dont know is that if the lti isn't happy it dont display a reading. Its a clever little bugger. Also, I never used it at all thru glass evidentially speaking - I did try it to see if it would work, but didn't use any readings in evidence - honest!

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Originally posted by andy c:
...what you dont know is that if the lti isn't happy it dont display a reading.

well it's not supposed to but there's plenty of evidence to say it does.

well in that case its down to the calibration of the machine, which has been court tested and should be done to stringent guidelines, by an appointed contractor.

In the 6 or so years I had access to them, I never had one problem re a defence suggesting machine fault. Aiming it at the wrong car - yes - but not machine fault.

Now the old 'Muniquip' - that was a very differant animal.

and how exactly would someone without a tachograph prove it wrong?
I take it you haven't seen the 406mph peugeot or the 80mph school bus then?

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and how exactly would someone without a tachograph prove it wrong?
I take it you haven't seen the 406mph peugeot or the 80mph school bus then?

You would ask for the machine calibration checks - give them to a defence expert to refute etc.

Other than that you are relying on the integrity of the prosecution - here we go again...

Oh and i do know all about the spy in the cab, too

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Originally posted by andy c:
You would ask for the machine calibration checks - give them to a defence expert to refute etc.

so I shouldn't mention slip errors then?

mention what you like.

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Originally posted by Deane F:
..or being a right winger.

Grammatical error alert: Right whinger!

Speed cameras - interesting to note that the cameras torched on the A217 Banstead and the Headley Road at Walton on the Hill and the camera that was pulled down on the same Headley Road approx six months ago have not been replaced.

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Originally posted by MichaelC:
Speed cameras - interesting to note that the cameras torched on the A217 Banstead and the Headley Road at Walton on the Hill and the camera that was pulled down on the same Headley Road approx six months ago have not been replaced.