bedini or shm
Posted by: 151 on 22 August 2008
how does a bedini treated c.d compare to the same shm c.d?
Posted on: 22 August 2008 by 555
Do you want to know whether a SHM CD benefits from treatment by a BC 151?
Posted on: 22 August 2008 by 151
i am asking what would be the biggest improvement a bc treated standered cd or a shm cd not treated. thanks 555
Posted on: 22 August 2008 by 151
thanks munch,hope your looking after my house. 

Posted on: 22 August 2008 by 555
Perhaps my confusion was caused by a senior moment? 
IME the BC reveals the recording, making it clearer.
This results in a sonically good CD sounding better,
but a poor recording sounding worse.
If you have lots of CDs in your collection a BC is very good VFM IMHO,
esp' with the quality of your CDP 151.
The SHM CDs I've heard are sonically very good, but with these there are two factors to consider ...
1: The SHM technology.
2: Many of these releases are also new remasters.
So far I've only heard SHM CDs that are also new remasters,
but there have been posts from members who have heard little difference between a SHM CD & the same master source in standard CD format.
I have concluded that the benefit of the SHM technology is most noticeable in the low level parts of the music, so I think the better your CDP & power supply, the more benefit you will enjoy from SHM CDs - due to lower level noise floor. Again IMHO your CDP & system deserves the best!
Cheers - John

IME the BC reveals the recording, making it clearer.
This results in a sonically good CD sounding better,
but a poor recording sounding worse.
If you have lots of CDs in your collection a BC is very good VFM IMHO,
esp' with the quality of your CDP 151.
The SHM CDs I've heard are sonically very good, but with these there are two factors to consider ...
1: The SHM technology.
2: Many of these releases are also new remasters.
So far I've only heard SHM CDs that are also new remasters,
but there have been posts from members who have heard little difference between a SHM CD & the same master source in standard CD format.
I have concluded that the benefit of the SHM technology is most noticeable in the low level parts of the music, so I think the better your CDP & power supply, the more benefit you will enjoy from SHM CDs - due to lower level noise floor. Again IMHO your CDP & system deserves the best!

Cheers - John
Posted on: 22 August 2008 by Guido Fawkes
I'll have to try a BC, but it is vinyl that is concerning me at the moment because I found out the material that gives it its colour, Carbon Black, contains metallic trace elements that create a weak magnetic field and degrade the sound when they roar past my DV20XL at 33.3 rpm. I was really enjoying my vinyl until I read this and now I can no longer sleep at nights, I've become tired and restless and .....
sorry about that - back on subject
then I read some words of wisdom from none other than Keith Jarrett, the world renown musician, who recently discovered the Talisman Magnetic Treatment for LPs (and CDs) and says "Absolutely spectacular... after using the Talisman - you retrieve more information from your LPs, CDs and DVDs than you will have ever heard or thought possible.... A mind-bogglingly accurate representation of the music as it sounded when it was recorded."
Has anybody tried this to treat LPs, CDs and DVDs and found distortion lowered and the sound more realistic; the sound stage open up with improved depth and transparency? Did you get more information without glare or harshness? Did dynamics improve and the harmonics sound more natural?
Is there anybody out there?
ATB Rotf
sorry about that - back on subject
then I read some words of wisdom from none other than Keith Jarrett, the world renown musician, who recently discovered the Talisman Magnetic Treatment for LPs (and CDs) and says "Absolutely spectacular... after using the Talisman - you retrieve more information from your LPs, CDs and DVDs than you will have ever heard or thought possible.... A mind-bogglingly accurate representation of the music as it sounded when it was recorded."

Has anybody tried this to treat LPs, CDs and DVDs and found distortion lowered and the sound more realistic; the sound stage open up with improved depth and transparency? Did you get more information without glare or harshness? Did dynamics improve and the harmonics sound more natural?
Is there anybody out there?
ATB Rotf
Posted on: 22 August 2008 by 555
quote:distortion lowered ... sound more realistic ... sound stage open up with improved depth and transparency ... more information without glare or harshness ...
Those are the effects I have heard from using a BC ROTF,
subject to the CD.
quote:Is there anybody out there?
Probably, but ...

Posted on: 27 August 2008 by MilesSmiles
Glad to hear I'm not the only one on the forum using a BC. 

Posted on: 27 August 2008 by Guido Fawkes
The Talisman does the same for vinyl
Posted on: 02 September 2008 by Michael
I too am using a BC... I give each disc a spin before playing it as a matter of course.
J.N has one too!
J.N has one too!
Posted on: 02 September 2008 by Chris Kelly
I have been wondering about a BC since JN brought one to TonyM's in May. Is it really worth it guys? Is the effect audible on SHMs?
Posted on: 03 September 2008 by 555
For the improvement of CD replay it's very good VFM IMHO Chris.
When I researched before buying mine the best deal was direct from their website,
& if you Google Bedini you'll see it at the top of results.
If you look in 'Used Equipment' there are new cosmetic 2nds.
I got one of these & could see no glue stains.
The Quadri Beam is the best model, & costs $175 inc shipping.
If you ask they'll adjust the HMRC dec'.
I think it costs around £200 from UK dealers.
When I researched before buying mine the best deal was direct from their website,
& if you Google Bedini you'll see it at the top of results.
If you look in 'Used Equipment' there are new cosmetic 2nds.
I got one of these & could see no glue stains.
The Quadri Beam is the best model, & costs $175 inc shipping.
If you ask they'll adjust the HMRC dec'.
I think it costs around £200 from UK dealers.
Posted on: 03 September 2008 by MilesSmiles
quote:Originally posted by munch:
Michael,
Do you not find once you do a disc it lasts for a few plays?
Munch
Agree, I only repeat it after quite a few plays.
Posted on: 03 September 2008 by Chris Kelly
Thanks for the info John. Does it make a noticable difference to the SHM discs?
Posted on: 03 September 2008 by Chris Kelly
Thanks Munch.
Posted on: 03 September 2008 by 555
quote:Does it make a noticeable difference to the SHM discs?
No as much IME, but still worth the effort. The BC seems to effect old CDs more, perhaps due to build up of static after repeated plays?
So as we enjoy our SHM CDs perhaps they will benefit from BC treatment more over time.
If you have lots of CDs it's defiantly worth getting though.
The benefits of BC also seems more noticeable the better the CDP,
so again I think you'd be pleased with the results.
Quite a few Naim dealer sell BCs, so you could always have a dem' Chris.
Posted on: 03 September 2008 by Chris Kelly
quote:lots of CDs
Far too many! I keep meaning to have a cull!
Posted on: 05 September 2008 by MilesSmiles
quote:Originally posted by 555:
The BC seems to effect old CDs more, perhaps due to build up of static after repeated plays?
