Questions for anyone who prefer Computer digital playback than Naim CDS2 cd player

Posted by: kent on 03 January 2010

Hi guys,

It is my goal to set up a PC or Mac based digital set up to achive the sound quality of CDS2.

I would love to learn from you who has done just that. So my questions are as below.

1) What is your ripping software?
2) What is your file format? Is wav format ok?
3) What media player do you use? I use Monkey Media currently. I have compared it to JRiver. They sound different but not better than each other.
4) I notice a few has chosen Mac mini. Have you compare it to Macbook Pro/Macbook/Imac?
5) What is being used between the computer and Dac? Firewire? Hiface? I am using an Empirical Audio USB convertor. In US, it is reputably better than Lynx card and a lot of built in USB convertor in various dac.
6) What is the storage method for the digital files? I used 2 tb internal harddisk in my silent PC.

Thanks and I am looking forward to learn from you all.
Posted on: 03 January 2010 by james n
1 XLD
2 AIFF
3 iTunes with Amarra
4 Nope - but the mini is a neater solution than a laptop for a dedicated music server
5 Firewire.

If you can, dedicate the computer to music replay rather than having it doing a multitude of other tasks.

James
Posted on: 03 January 2010 by kent
Hi James,

I edit my original post with one more question.

Are you using external HD with Mac Mini?
Posted on: 03 January 2010 by james n
Hi Kent - i've got a SSD drive in the mini for the OS and all music is on a 1Tb NAS drive elsewhere in the house.
Posted on: 03 January 2010 by kent
Thanks James.

I have a lenovo laptop which I used exclusively before I built a silent PC. The system has a much lower noise flood and better overall sound when the laptop run on battery. Therefore, I seek people with experience comparing the Mac mini and Macbook Pro. You are right, the Mac mini look a lot better on the rack.
Posted on: 03 January 2010 by winkyincanada
I previously used a MBP/TimeCapsule via Airport Express and now use a 320GB Mini via optical SPDIF. Both into my SuperNait DAC.

The move to the Mini was prompted mainly by the desire to have the files "local" to the iTunes player and remove all wireless links. I was using music files located on my TimeCapsule previously, but the "two-leg" Wi-Fi link was too unreliable. iTunes also seems to prefer to use local default folders for music rather than the quasi-NAS of the TC.

The main improvement when moving to the Mini was better reliability (no dropouts), rather than SQ. The Mini is also very compact and quiet, with noise only occasionally present when ripping, but otherwise inaudible.

The Mini sounds great, but so did the previous set-up. My new direct arrangement with the Mini may be better than the old one but I couldn't be sure. I am very happy with the new set-up. A poor man's HDX!

I've also since expanded the Mini's capacity with a TrekStor USB 500GB drive and that works seamlessly.
Posted on: 04 January 2010 by james n
Kent - i've compared my old macbook running powered and battery - no difference on my system. Sonic Studio seem to think the Mini is better as a music server from a SQ view than the Macbook - why i dont know.

rgds

James
Posted on: 04 January 2010 by Kashmir
1) EAC. Free and excellent.

2) FLAC. No SQ loss and it supports tags. Waves are pointless, and without tags you may find yourself in a tight spot if your collection is large and you loose your metainfo file (like iTunes makes).

3) XXHighEnd. Best player SQ wise hands down, but the GUI is not the smoothest, if that is important. f2k if you want a configurable GUI and good sounding WASAPI player.

4) Personally, I would build a PC from scratch every time, but I know many prefer getting a Mini for convenience. One can easily build a PC that looks the same and has better hardware for less money, but you would still have to build it.

5) Part of the reason I like a HTPC is that I can use a PCI sound card. Good ones have excellent S/PDIF outs for running into an external DAC. Check out John Atkinson's measurements of the Asus cards' digital outs in the current issue of Stereophile. Moreover, a few PCI cards sound fantastic via their analogue outs (for the money, quite mindbogglingly good. My card sounds way better than a CD5i, and noticeably better than the CD5x). For CDX2 performance and above, get an external DAC (you know which one Winker ) and run the card into that. Also, the analogue outs of an internal sound card can sound different on various mainboards. A good one with nice parts and good power reg. is important. I like the newer Gigabyte boards, but I am sure most new boards are fine, if one avoids the cheapest ones. "Enthusiast" boards meant for overclocking often have better parts and better construction power-wise, so one of these may be a good investment.

6) Yeah, that is what I do. Two drives, one with the library and one for backup. They don't have to be dedicated drives, but a backup of the library is of course a must.

Just my opinions and experience, good luck and have fun Smile
Posted on: 04 January 2010 by js
quote:
Originally posted by kent:
Thanks James.

I have a lenovo laptop which I used exclusively before I built a silent PC. The system has a much lower noise flood and better overall sound when the laptop run on battery. Therefore, I seek people with experience comparing the Mac mini and Macbook Pro. You are right, the Mac mini look a lot better on the rack.
There is so much more to it. Though the dedicated system may sound better, I much prefer a lenovo run off the power supply when using an outboard interface. Same with a Dell and Sony so not universal perhaps but consistant where tried. I assumed battery would be better before I tried. It's interesting how outboard USB2 drives can work really well in these systems. Smile

I can hear lossless every time I've tried it though found good results in less than top systems and never heard a pc card compete with things I like. Lets call it preference. Winker
Posted on: 04 January 2010 by JYOW
1) XLD on the Mac, EAC on the pC
2) Apple Lossless? WAV takes more space and does not support tags nor album art
3) iTunes without Amarra. Previously also used Logitech Transporter which was very good.
4) No, usingMacbook Pro.
5) Using Firewire direct to DAC
6) 1.5TB+1.5TB mirrored drive cased in QNAP TS219 Pro NAS. Connected to Macbook Pro via Gigabit Ethernet. Also 1.5TB Buffalo USB drive for regular external backups.
Posted on: 04 January 2010 by David Scott
Kashmir,

What sound card do you have?

Thanks
Posted on: 04 January 2010 by Jack
1) EAC
2) FLAC (would use WAV but for tag issue)
3) Foobar *
4) Using PC
5) Computer -> Firewire Audio Interface / SPDIF (Focusrite Sapphire PRO24) -> DAC
6) QNAP NAS (4.5TB)

* I have used various including MM, couldn't explain it but I prefer Foobar.

I think one question you should also consider is how you would remotely control the audio interface. The iTouch is popular.

Cheers

Jack
Posted on: 04 January 2010 by kent
Thanks guys, please keep the suggestions coming.

Jack, I am using Itouch/Imonkey currently.
Posted on: 04 January 2010 by goldfinch
1. EAC,
2. Flac for convenience, I hear no difference with WAV though
3. JRiver 14, it plays from RAM, uses native ASIO and has a home theatre view which I love to use through my Plasma.I have also used Foobar and MediaMonkey but I finally chose JRiver.
4. I built an HTPC several years ago that now I have tweaked a bit for being more nearly silent and more audiophile-friendly (more RAM, better PSU).
5. Lynx AES16 PCI card with a Belden digital cable.
6. Internal hard disks and a Lacie usb external hard disk. I prefer internal because they are less noisy.

Enjoy
Posted on: 04 January 2010 by Jack
Kent....did you know iMonkey has been updated/replaced with MonkeyTunes

http://melloware.com/
Posted on: 04 January 2010 by gaet
1) DBpoweramp (with accuraterip and ultra secure)
2) FLAC (lossless, tag support including album cover)
3) Squeezecenter (running on QNAP NAS)
4) No PC needed. I have a squeezebox receiver as network stream server and use an Ipod Touch with IPeng as remote control
5) Squeezebox receiver -> DAC
6) QNAP NAS 119 with 1TB (backup on another external USB drive 1TB - connected on NAS)

This works great, is not expensive, not noisy (NAS and squeezebox are fanless) and does not use a lot of power (25W)...
Posted on: 05 January 2010 by Kashmir
quote:
Originally posted by David Scott?:
Kashmir,

What sound card do you have?


A Cantatis and a slightly modded Onkyo (a couple of Black Gates for main power filtering). Both are VIA Envy-based and offer superb performance via their RCA outs. The Cantatis uses twin BB 1794A chips, and the Onkyo a Wolfson WM8740.
Posted on: 05 January 2010 by kent
quote:
Originally posted by Jack:
Kent....did you know iMonkey has been updated/replaced with MonkeyTunes

http://melloware.com/


Thanks Jack, I am waiting for them to work out the bugs first. There was user report on issue with Win 7 64 bit.
Posted on: 05 January 2010 by Klout10
I am pretty happy with my HDX, I don't have to worry about all these parameters ...

Regards,
Michel
Posted on: 06 January 2010 by Hook
Hi Kent -

1) Mediamonkey for new discs. EAC for used discs, or if errors occur ripping new. Also using Audacity to do occasional end-of-last-song cleanups.

2) FLAC - compression level 0 (minimal compression).

3) Was using Mediamonkey. Now using XMplay to take advantage of WASAPI ouput plug-in. Will return to Mediamonkey when V4 is released and WASAPI is supported.

4) No experience with Mac.

5) Windows Vista Laptop -> USB -> M-Audio Transit -> Toslink -> MF V-DAC (my Naim DAC placeholder)

6) Buffalo Linkstation with 2 mirrored 2tb drives.

Hook