PC vs Mac - is PC bashing fair or do they both ****?

I can't comment on your title. I've had a few PCs and basically they all suck in various ways.MS products are not very elegant, but touching wood XP seems to be OK.
I have looked at getting a MAC but have been put off by the high cost. Design and looks are great. Downside of limited programme choices seems to be negated by the use of Intel chips, but does that mean they will now be vulnerable to viruses?

Howard

PC users can take criticism.

Mac owners seem to be unable to take any criticism.

They seem to think they have found the holy grail.

Apple have even dropped 'computer' from their name as they make more cash from the ipod and itunes.

Is PC 'bashing' fair? yep.
Can Mac users take it as well?

Hello no!

I admit Macs aren't perfect.

Mine sometimes does odd things.

My PC sometimes does odd things. Just a lot more often.

And generally I can shut the mac down and it all goes back to normal.

The PC seems to require an army of techs (3 in total) looking bewildered and arguing how to fix it. Coffee break time for me.

I drink a lot of coffee.

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Originally posted by joe90:

The PC seems to require an army of techs (3 in total) looking bewildered and arguing how to fix it. Coffee break time for me.

You're joking! Why does your company put up with this? On face value it looks to me more like a problem with managers than hardware or software. Good administrators run systems - they don't spend all their time fixing them. If they are not doing a good job; why have they got their jobs...?

I'm not going near Vista until I absolutely have to. Which won't be for a long time yet.

I won't buy a Mac until Macs do what I want them to do and until developers write code that I like that runs on the things.

My PCs running XP Pro do what I want them to with very few problems.

Yeah you get probs with Windows but hell for me that is half the fun of learning about your computer because of this I have ended up fixing computers programme probs for about dozen of my friends and at the same time I am teaching them.

We have 3 computers in the house one runs Vista and the other 2 run XP Pro. Yes of course XP is more stable at present but I still have programme conflicts with it.
There has always been a saying about Microsoft that it usually takes until version 3 to get matters right. Computers are highly complex machines.

At one time it was boasted that you couldn't get a virus in a Mac and that has now seems to have been proved wrong. You can even get a virus in a Nokia mobile phone. If you use any electronic equipment then you will always have probs.

It was actually demonstrated at a computer seminar in the States last year by a Singapore Professor that you can put a virus unto a 64 bit chip and there is currently no known cure for that one. Intel and a few other chip manu's were astounded as none of them believd it was possible.

Oh goodee, another Mac-bashing thread!

I use both. For preference, and for the apps I use most, I choose to use a Mac. I see nothing sinister in the Apple name-change: it seems to reflect that they have broadened out from computers, which is a very sound business decision.

I'm not like ewemon: I don't want to spend hours trying to make an expensive piece of technology do what it should be doing. Mac takes most of that hassle away. Are Macs perfect: not by a long shot. Are they best for everyone? Nope. Do they suit me? Absolutely.

I bought my first PC in 1984, since then I have used numerous versions of DOS, Windows 1 to 3.x, OS/2 1.1 to version 5, helped people with their Windows machines, and now happily use Macs as my machine of choice.

I am happy with what it does and what it enables me to do.

Good for you Derek...

Why is the Mac now your machine of choice'?

I moved on from OS/2 because I wanted more control in photo work, I was using GIMP under OS/2 but the machine was getting old and hence too slow and the monitor was getting old and uncontrollable so I need to "do something" and more or less at the same I wandered into the Apple shop in Chicago and started my inquiries. A G5 dual with two drives a 20" monitor, a scanner a G4 Powerbook and an Intel iMac later I would say that I had adopted the Mac creed.

I recognise in the UI of the Mac some of the philosophies that were in Presentation Manager in OS/2 from the early days, some say OSX is what OS/2 could have developed into if IBM had had some courage - however OSX has the underpinnings of Unix and does not have some of the bugbears of DOS derivatives, eg DLLs being interchanged and loaded into system libraries, registry files that are corruptible.

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Originally posted by BigH47:
I can't comment on your title. I've had a few PCs and basically they all suck in various ways.MS products are not very elegant, but touching wood XP seems to be OK.
I have looked at getting a MAC but have been put off by the high cost. Design and looks are great. Downside of limited programme choices seems to be negated by the use of Intel chips, but does that mean they will now be vulnerable to viruses?

Howard

The Mac has loads of software - I don't know how much software is available for a PC, but you can download thousands of free Mac programs - quite what you'd do with them all I've no idea.

The Mac running OS X should not suffer from Viruses - that is not to say you can't write malicious code for it. Technically OS X is a lot more transparent than Windows - i.e. I can read the files with an editor and know what's going on. As a developer I much prefer OS X, it is like Solaris with a friendly face.

Both Mac OS X and Windows are flawed. I think Windows is at the end of the line and Microsoft will have to change its architecture to move forward. OS X could still move forward, but quite where to I don't know.

The good thing about Apple's latest computers is that they can run just about any desktop OS/Application - however the limitations of each OS will remain.

Perhaps the perfect PC would run its pre-emptive multi-tasking OS in 64k and look like this

Melnobone - think you've got the labels mixed up.

No way can anybody say Kermit The Frog is not a Nerd.

Melnobone

Finally some sense on this thread...

Deane

Haha good stuff.

Strangely enough this is not about PC but MickeySoft Windows...
Throw linux on the intel and it goes a hell of a lot faster/better/less virus prone/....

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Originally posted by PJT:

Throw linux on the intel and it goes a hell of a lot faster/better/less virus prone/....

I could just see the Mac people coping with Linux... They seem to much prefer not knowing a damn thing about their systems other than the specs and like everything pre-configured. That's what they're paying for, after all. You need to know a thing or two about your pooter before mucking about with open-source.

I'll agree with that. When OSX first came out there was X11 and all these programmes with 'compilers' that required going into the terminal. I got in a right pickle.

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Originally posted by Chris Kelly:
Oh goodee, another Mac-bashing thread!

I can certainly go along with that!